Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Racefuel]

It wasn't a field commission, as he was an Academy graduate already.

Field promotion, yeah.

Riker was given a field promotion to Captain by Admiral Hansen in BOBW, as was Data by Jellicoe in Chain of Command

 

[The Wormhole]

I'm no engineer, but maybe turn off a few lights? You're all on the Bridge!!!!!

Haven't we been spending all season complaining about the Titan's light all being off?

The other answer might make people uncomfortable. Shaw had a list of names, CVs, photos, etc. Seven's a pretty blonde woman. That DOESN'T mean that Shaw was planning anything inappropriate, intending to leverage/force a relationship, etc. on her that would rightfully get him expelled from Starfleet. He might not even be consciously aware that her attractive looks factor in his decision. But studies do show that attractive people still get hired or get positions over equally or even more qualified people who aren't as good looking. That's my headcanon for it, like I said it's probably an uncomfortable line of thought but I also don't believe that Shaw would ever consciously do anything inappropriate or illegal but nevertheless he's human and subconsciously may have been affected by Seven's good looks.

You're making some presumptions there. To start with, you're assuming Seven was the only "pretty blonde woman" among the eligible XOs, which we can't know for certain. Also, you're assuming Shaw is heterosexual, when nothing about Shaw's sexuality has been explicitly stated at all.

 

[Yistaan]

You're making some presumptions there. To start with, you're assuming Seven was the only "pretty blonde woman" among the eligible XOs, which we can't know for certain. Also, you're assuming Shaw is heterosexual, when nothing about Shaw's sexuality has been explicitly stated at all.

Fair enough, I'm honestly regretting that comment since it didn't come across very well. Maybe it's best from my point of view that Shaw recruiting Seven despite hating ex-Bs AND Fenris rangers is a plothole.

 

[KennyB]

Fair enough, I'm honestly regretting that comment since it didn't come across very well. Maybe it's best from my point of view that Shaw recruiting Seven despite hating ex-Bs AND Fenris rangers is a plothole.

Shaw hates everyone…….not a plot hole

 

[cooleddie74]

Shaw probably talks to himself in a condescending manner when he gets constipated. I'm not shocked if he is equally dismissive of everybody.

 

[Danja]

She doesn't have any of that experience, as the collective controlled her during that.

She has memories, knowledge but not first hand experience.

Seven (to Janeway): "You are no different from the Borg."

I hope they follow through with the apocalypse (No reset button. No going back in time and erasing Jack Crusher from existence. No setting things "back to normal.")

I'd like to see how they come back from that (They flirted with apocalypse in FC, only to dance away from the edge in the end.)

 

[Verteron]

Seven (to Janeway): "You are no different from the Borg."

I hope they follow through with the apocalypse (No reset button. No going back in time and erasing Jack Crusher from existence. No setting things "back to normal.")

I'd like to see how they come back from that (They flirted with apocalypse in FC, only to dance away from the edge in the end.)

Interesting direction for Star Trek: Legacy

 

[USS Artorius]

Interesting direction for Star Trek: Legacy

"It is possible to make no mistakes and still loose. That is not a weakness, that is life." - Jean Luc Picard. *Mic Drop

Lets hope it doesn't turn out like that alternate reality E-D from the episode 'Parallels'. Riker with a mountain man beard "You don't understand! Starfleet is Gone, the Borg are everywhere!"... "No we won't go back!"

 

[Danja]

Interesting direction for Star Trek: Legacy

Maybe erasing Jack Crusher could be a job for Section 31?

They could follow him through time as the proverbial "Men in Black."

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

Or maybe you are reaching……..Shaw isn’t deadnaming as the term is defined:
call (a transgender person) by their birth name when they have changed their name as part of their gender transition.

I really don’t think the writers are using this as an allegory for anything transgender related either.

I do, and you can argue that Seven is transgender in a way. Some fans see her as transgender and that's cool and ok.

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

Fair enough, I'm honestly regretting that comment since it didn't come across very well. Maybe it's best from my point of view that Shaw recruiting Seven despite hating ex-Bs AND Fenris rangers is a plothole.

Being straight or gay or bi or transgender has no basis if the person will rape or not. Does not matter what Shaw identifies sexually.

 

[USS Artorius]

Maybe erasing Jack Crusher could be a job for Section 31?

I had a feeling that Beverly would sacrifice herself for Jack, and then Wesley would appear from the higher realms of existence proclaiming himself to be the new Q and snap all the Borg into Oblivion. And then Picard says thanks Wesley can finally get his revenge and tell him to Shut up!

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

I had a feeling that Beverly would sacrifice herself for Jack, and then Wesley would appear from the higher realms of existence proclaiming himself to be the new Q and snap all the Borg into Oblivion. And then Picard says thanks Wesley can finally get his revenge and tell him to Shut up!

This season has proven that Crusher cares more about her son than he does his mother.

 

[KennyB]

I do, and you can argue that Seven is transgender in a way. Some fans see her as transgender and that's cool and ok.

You do you.

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

You do you.

Exactly how I feel. My own son is transgender and it's absurd to think I meant insults regarding the binars. It was a supportive pro-trans statement. The binars were the first time I realized people can be no gender. I respect the hell out of that.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Shaw is the straight speaking curmudgeon. He's not coming from a position of hate, he's coming from a place of cynicism.

He doesn't want to rape Seven. That's cloud cuckoo material.

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

Shaw is the straight speaking curmudgeon. He's not coming from a position of hate, he's coming from a place of cynicism.

He doesn't want to rape Seven. That's cloud cuckoo material.

He clearly hates Seven. He deadnames her and everyone here said the same thing when he said it to her the first time. I have found that hate and trauma and PTSD can combine in a way to lead towards feelings of wanting power over someone, and usually for a male that means raping a woman he is threatened by.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

He clearly hates Seven. He deadnames her and everyone here said the same thing when he said it to her the first time. I have found that hate and trauma and PTSD can combine in a way to lead towards feelings of wanting power over someone, and usually for a male that means raping a woman he is threatened by.

In nearly 60 years worth of material do you find that Star Trek protagonists are ever written with motivations like that?

It sounds like in any event you are talking about limit cases (or extreme examples) in which case I'd be cautious about applying any sort of term such as 'usually'.

 

[USS Artorius]

Shaw called Seven by her birth name because he hates the borg. It's as simple as that. Seven isn't transgender either so calling it deadnaming makes no sense. Just because she used to be Borg doesn't mean she was a different Gender, thats nonsense. The experience could have caused her to transition after but she hasn't as of Season 3 of Picard.

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

In nearly 60 years worth of material do you find that Star Trek protagonists are ever written with motivations like that?

It sounds like in any event you are talking about limit cases (or extreme examples) in which case I'd be cautious about applying any sort of term such as 'usually'.

Khan was a rapist based on Space Seed and TWOK