Spoilers The thing in bay 12

[Qonundrum]

I wasn't wild about this episode, but I don't have any problems with this part of it. We all knew it was coming, and it was beautifully done.

Love how Geordi decided to remove all the Generations side panels and steps. He even took away Worf's chair.


That's what I thought too. It might be a couple of different clips combined.

Like with the 1701-E, there's a tantalizing narrative gap that's almost begging to be asked as to what transpired...

The 1701-E dialogue is the larger issue to salivate over, but it's okay. If there are future shows or movies, it's obviously a potential spoiler-to-be that we won't know about.

As for 1701-D, Geordi definitely wanted to return it to its pre-refit state. Can't blame him; I recently bought a couple of computers made in 1979 and restored them to a condition I'd feel as "ideal", despite weathering and related issues. Anyone doing restoration can really appreciate his desires and efforts. That scene works on so many levels; and in a season that's already sparkling with life. This is another reason that renders this season a very worthy sequel in my book. One that even recognizes NEM and doesn't retcon it out. That's even more impressive and can even retroactively elevate it.

Even Troi gets written in ways that she should have had in TNG and it doesn't feel contrived. To compare, NEM - while contriving any number of dumb things - implies she has some shiny new abilities as well, but the quality of the NEM scene's writing doesn't come close and promptly fall flat. If a new feature is added, really make one wish they used it before instead of being an empty plot point as hollow exposition. PIC season 3 succeeds with Troi's empathic abilities. NEM did not. In that regard, IMHO & YMMV. (A shame, as I maintain NEM could easily have been a classic, if they decluttered 50 to 70% of what they shoved into it for the empty sake of "BIG EPIC MOVIE SCREEN FOR THE THRILL OF IT". But I will rate NEM high enough because the potential is there and they were on the right track, with terrific casting and acting despite the script. But I digress.)

Majel's voice could have been clips cut together, which also proves that Wesley's gadget from "The Naked Now" works! (Sorry, couldn't resist...)

Anyone got any nitpicks? I felt the ramps should be steeper and the aft upper section was too low.

Who am I kidding? They did an incredible job. I was honestly amazed.

I think the wall beige was a bit off-- Bloody 'eck, I've got no nitpicks and if there were any, they'd easily be waved away with "part of the restoration" and in a way that no holodeck or time travel episode can compare with as they have less than zero room for anything out of place, depending on how pedantic one reeeeeally wants to get. The scene is perfect.

 

[Tuskin38]

Anyone got any nitpicks? I felt the ramps should be steeper and the aft upper section was too low.

Who am I kidding? They did an incredible job. I was honestly amazed.

IIRC one of the actors (LeVar I think?) said the ramps felt steeper than they remembered.

I'm not nitpicking here, just observing, but the plaque is a different height than it was in TNG. Either that or Patrick's height changed since then.
I think someone else pointed that out when the pictures leaked a couple days ago.

 

[Racefuel]

IIRC one of the actors (LeVar I think?) said the ramps felt steeper than they remembered.

I'm not nitpicking here, just observing, but the plaque is a different height than it was in TNG. Either that or Patrick's height changed since then.
I think someone else pointed that out when the pictures leaked a couple days ago.

They did, they compared it when Picard mozeyed over to the plaque in Ensigns of Command.

It's about 4-6 inches higher than it was in the series plus SPS is about 2 inches shorter

 

[Tomalak]

IIRC one of the actors (LeVar I think?) said the ramps felt steeper than they remembered.

I thought he was making a joke about them being older!

 

[LongHauler]

FWIW, the digital model of the E-D on this is based on the Generations repaint of the 6 footer. The lighting isn't great, but the primary hull *is* robins egg blue grey and has all the surface damage from "hot dropping" onto Veridian III.

The engineering hull from the Syracuse seems to be a little different....but its also from a different ship than the Enterprise D

Here's a side-by-side comparison. They're darn close, but the deflector dish is slightly off. Too squared.

https://imgur.com/a/N5Z121I

Sorry, but image tags don't seem to be working...

 

[Gepard]

Anyone got any nitpicks? I felt the ramps should be steeper and the aft upper section was too low.

Who am I kidding? They did an incredible job. I was honestly amazed.

If anything, I thought the ramps looked too steep.

I'm not sure where I read it, but I saw somewhere that the new set is a little shorter front to back and a little taller, due to the limitations of stage space.

But I figure any discrepancies can be attributed to Geordi salvaging parts from other builds; the bridge module may be an entirely separate unit from another ship for all we know.

 

[Racefuel]

Here's a side-by-side comparison. They're darn close, but the deflector dish is slightly off. Too squared.

https://imgur.com/a/N5Z121I

Sorry, but image tags don't seem to be working...

It is absolutely a little different. At least they explained it.

IIRC the Venture also had a different shape in DS9.

Headcanon: The second/third batch of Galaxies, numbers 6-24, had modified designs that the original six (Galaxy, Enterprise, Yamato,etc) did not.

 

[Tuskin38]

Here's a side-by-side comparison. They're darn close, but the deflector dish is slightly off. Too squared.

https://imgur.com/a/N5Z121I

Sorry, but image tags don't seem to be working...

The left image you chose was CG recreation for TNG Remastered.

 

[mikelima777]

My theory is some of the changes to the Stardrive may be improvements/revisions that were implemented in later Galaxy-class starships like Syracuse.

 

[Tomalak]

If anything, I thought the ramps looked too steep.

I'm not sure where I read it, but I saw somewhere that the new set is a little shorter front to back and a little taller, due to the limitations of stage space.

But I figure any discrepancies can be attributed to Geordi salvaging parts from other builds; the bridge module may be an entirely separate unit from another ship for all we know.

Interesting, I thought the whole upper horseshoe area where Worf was standing looked too low. I assumed it was to frame it better for widescreen.

But that was just on one viewing, I could be wrong.

 

[Racefuel]

In any capacity..its pretty clear that the Galaxy class has been retired by 2401 given there was enough to piece together the Enterprise-D again.

Does that mean the last canon, non-alternate timeline appearance for the class is in Endgame when Voyager returns home?

I can't remember if they made an appearance in Prodigy

 

[Tomalak]

Not yet. We just saw the bridge on the Kobayashi Maru simulation.

 

[LongHauler]

The left image you chose was CG recreation for TNG Remastered.

No sir, not CG. High definition transfers of the original film stock. Very few CG shots of the Ent D were added to the remasters of TNG. But here is a close up of the filming model for comparison:

https://imgur.com/a/abeer7f

And here is the original photo in the SD version:

https://imgur.com/a/y4askbV

 

[Racefuel]

In any capacity..its pretty clear that the Galaxy class has been retired by 2401 given there was enough to piece together the Enterprise-D again.

Does that mean the last canon, non-alternate timeline appearance for the class is in Endgame when Voyager returns home?

I can't remember if they made an appearance in Prodigy

I take that back, Galaxy is referenced as being part of Battle Group Omega in Nemsis..

So 2379 is the last confirmed Galaxy Class listing.

 

[Gepard]

Interesting, I thought the whole upper horseshoe area where Worf was standing looked too low. I assumed it was to frame it better for widescreen.

It's actually slightly higher, compared with the headrest of the captain's chair. On the OG set, the front edge of the center support lands roughly in the middle of the headrest. On the new set, it's near the top.

No sir, not CG.

(It is, actually, but it doesn't change your point.)

Sorry, but image tags don't seem to be working...

You have to embed the path for the .jpg, not the page that jpg is embedded in. You can right-click and open the image in a new tab, then copy the URL from there.

 

[Racefuel]

Well the bridge set changing has a rich tradition in Star Trek.

Despite having never been to a starbase or refit..the Bridge changes from TWOK to TSFS

And yet again in TFF to TUC

You just roll with it lol

 

[Cube1701]

I love that they mentioned the reason they went to the effort of getting the Enterprise D off the surface of the planet was because it was in a system with a pre-warp civilizaion. It's been my headcanon that they had to get every scrap off the planet due to the prime directive, which included the Enterprise and Kirk's body.

It was great seeing the ship again.

 

[DaveyNY]

I think some are bitter that their favorite show did not last long enough to ever get future fan service like this.

... and those of us that have been around long enough, got it twice.

TMP & PICARD

 

[LongHauler]

(It is, actually, but it doesn't change your point.)

We'll have to agree to disagree on that, since I know the source of the image.

You have to embed the path for the .jpg, not the page that jpg is embedded in. You can right-click and open the image in a new tab, then copy the URL from there.

Outstanding. That's something I miss about Photobucket of all things. You could copy your image URL complete with php tags.

 

[Macintosh]

Love how Geordi decided to remove all the Generations side panels and steps. He even took away Worf's chair.

My headcanon there is that the 2371 bridge in Generations was destroyed, but the previous 2365-2370 bridge module was just sitting around in storage somewhere, so Geordi just tracked it down and reinstalled it. Hell, it might have been in the Starfleet Museum anyway.