Spoilers Season 3 wild speculation

[eschaton]

I think Jack's gonna die in the finale. I say this for three reasons.

1. The episode is titled The Last Generation. While thematically this makes sense if you consider it to just mean the previous generation - that it's all on the oldsters to rescue us from the assimilated under 25 folks - there's an added layer to this if Picard's status as a father is suddenly ripped away again, and he finds himself the the last of the Picards.

2. Victories should be bittersweet, and come at great personal cost to be compelling. Jack dying would have a lot greater personal cost for Picard than a legacy cast member at this point.

3. Matalas is speedrunning the TOS movies, and Kirk's son died.

 

[Gepard]

I think Jack's gonna die in the finale. I say this for three reasons.

1. The episode is titled The Last Generation. While thematically this makes sense if you consider it to just mean the previous generation - that it's all on the oldsters to rescue us from the assimilated under 25 folks - there's an added layer to this if Picard's status as a father is suddenly ripped away again, and he finds himself the the last of the Picards.

2. Victories should be bittersweet, and come at great personal cost to be compelling. Jack dying would have a lot greater personal cost for Picard than a legacy cast member at this point.

3. Matalas is speedrunning the TOS movies, and Kirk's son died.

I bet the TNG crew will do the Torchwood thing of using Jack's internal transmitter to send a signal to the fleet to shut down, which will fry his brain.

 

[Tuskin38]

Or Jack will overcome the queen with the power of love.

His family's love, not Jack loving the queen.

 

[Campe]

Yeah, pretty sure Jack’s a goner.

Or Jack will overcome the queen with the power of love.

His family's love, not Jack loving the queen.

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Sorry not sorry.

 

[Supervisor 194]

I wonder if the upcoming Academy show will take place in the immediate aftermath of the events depicted in Vox, vis a vis everyone under 25.

 

[Tuskin38]

I wonder if the upcoming Academy show will take place in the immediate aftermath of the events depicted in Vox, vis a vis everyone under 25.

It sounds like it's set in the 32nd Century based off the description.
No new students in 100 years.

Also I doubt all those assimilated people are going to die.

 

[fireproof78]

I wonder if the upcoming Academy show will take place in the immediate aftermath of the events depicted in Vox, vis a vis everyone under 25.

That would be very strange given the teaser blurb was the first class in over 100 years and we just had Elnor graduating...

 

[Supervisor 194]

I hadn't caught the 100 years part...

 

[mikelima777]

Yeah, pretty sure Jack’s a goner.

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Sorry not sorry.

Still, better way to go out than what happened to David Marcus.

 

[willg]

I think Jack's gonna die in the finale. I say this for three reasons.

1. The episode is titled The Last Generation. While thematically this makes sense if you consider it to just mean the previous generation - that it's all on the oldsters to rescue us from the assimilated under 25 folks - there's an added layer to this if Picard's status as a father is suddenly ripped away again, and he finds himself the the last of the Picards.

2. Victories should be bittersweet, and come at great personal cost to be compelling. Jack dying would have a lot greater personal cost for Picard than a legacy cast member at this point.

3. Matalas is speedrunning the TOS movies, and Kirk's son died.

You Borg bastard, you've killed my son!
Borg Bastard!

 

[Qonundrum]

Patrick Stewart said some time ago that he'd be up for doing more seasons or movies as Picard. If Picard doesn't die, seeing the TNG crew for future stories -- I don't think anyone's going to complain too much...

I think Jack's gonna die in the finale. I say this for three reasons.

1. The episode is titled The Last Generation. While thematically this makes sense if you consider it to just mean the previous generation - that it's all on the oldsters to rescue us from the assimilated under 25 folks - there's an added layer to this if Picard's status as a father is suddenly ripped away again, and he finds himself the the last of the Picards.

Any number of possibilities. I hope it's not the finale of the TNG cast, but no matter which way one looks, this is far better a sendoff than NEM.

2. Victories should be bittersweet, and come at great personal cost to be compelling. Jack dying would have a lot greater personal cost for Picard than a legacy cast member at this point.

Aye. It's still amazing Picard found the time but, unless it's a fake-out, they pulled it off nicely.

3. Matalas is speedrunning the TOS movies, and Kirk's son died.

Ouch. NEM spedrun with TWOK/TSFS for Data, which was eyerollingly awful at the time and still is. Then again, NEM largely did "plot by numbers" - Matalas could easily throw in some twists or go above and beyond the most simple approach and give the proceedings genuine dramatic weight and intrigue.

 

[USS Belmont]

Anybody thinks the final battle is D vs. F? With Borgified Shelby?

 

[NCC-73515]

Or Jack will overcome the queen with the power of love.

His family's love, not Jack loving the queen.

Matalas being a BTTF fan and parts of the soundtrack already being BTTFesque, I could almost imagine them using Huey Lewis when the Borg ship explodes

 

[TerryTrek]

I think Jack's gonna die in the finale. I say this for three reasons.

1. The episode is titled The Last Generation. While thematically this makes sense if you consider it to just mean the previous generation - that it's all on the oldsters to rescue us from the assimilated under 25 folks - there's an added layer to this if Picard's status as a father is suddenly ripped away again, and he finds himself the the last of the Picards.

2. Victories should be bittersweet, and come at great personal cost to be compelling. Jack dying would have a lot greater personal cost for Picard than a legacy cast member at this point.

3. Matalas is speedrunning the TOS movies, and Kirk's son died.

I've agreed with you on everything, except for this.

Jack will be fine. They'll tease his death and Picard will be placed in a position to kill Jack, but they'll save him. And Jack will have the chance to fight for his fate.

Jack is the "Next, Next Generation" and Matalas has gone on record saying this show sets up that group. Jack is the central figure of that. More importantly, when Deanna called him 'Family' I knew he was safe. This whole season has been about protecting Jack.

It would be very anti-climactic to kill him off unceremoniously, given his narrative importance. This isn't the nihilistic Discovery. This show will end on a hopeful note, with the new generation in place.

 

[fireproof78]

It would be very anti-climactic to kill him off unceremoniously, given his narrative importance.

And yet very early TNG. I would be curious to see it done.

 

[TerryTrek]

You would. Most wouldn't

Plus from a storytelling POV, Beverly has been through enough suffering. Giving this story such a cruel ending doesn't line up with Matalas' approach at all.

A character triumphantly rising up to overcome his challenge since birth is the more likely route.

 

[mikelima777]

I think Jack's humanity will ultimately be the undoing of the Collective. Just like how the Queen once tried to assimilate future Janeway, to borrow that other sci fi franchise meme, The Borg unwittingly opened the Thermal Exhaust Port for a metaphorical torpedo strike from within.

 

[fireproof78]

You would. Most wouldn't

Let me be blunt: I wouldn't but I would not reject it out of hand as nihilistic and would see it as perfectly in line with what Gene was gearing for in his evolved humanity approach in TNG.

In other words, it's very Trek.

 

[TerryTrek]

Let me be blunt: I wouldn't but I would not reject it out of hand as nihilistic and would see it as perfectly in line with what Gene was gearing for in his evolved humanity approach in TNG.

In other words, it's very Trek.

Not at all. Young Gene would have loved the Jack Crusher character; a potential leading man, charming, brags about his way with ladies (an enemy to fathers of daughter's everywhere), intelligent but also an action star that wins in a fist fight etc. Jack is the perfect character archetype of a lead that Gene would have wanted.

There are other characters Gene may have killed off, it wouldn't be Jack.

 

[Campe]

Everyone dies. No one dies. Doesn’t matter because carpet!……?