Spoilers The Starfleet Museum

You would think that we would have seen them in the huge DS9 Dominion war fleet scenes rather than the old versions if that were the case.

 

Didn’t say it was. It just has a kitbash feel because of the (IMO) incongruities of the design.

 

That was all on the holodeck though.

 

I view all these new ship classes..IE Excelsior II, Ross, Sutherland, Echelon, Sagan, etc as part of the great rebuilding of Starfleet from the losses of the Dominion War.

If I had to guess..the starship loss with the crews was probably breathtaking. We know in *one engagement* starfleet lost something like 85 ships in the early days of the war.

For perspective, the loss of 39 ships at Wolf 359 is considered a massacre, and in one battle early in the war nearly double those ships were lost.

 

The Excelsior IIs were assigned to other fleets, the ones with the Ambassadors, Connie-IIs, Norways, all of the BoBW classes, Sovereigns, Intrepids, Novas, Prometheii...,

Spoiler: PIC 3x07 Dominion

...Vulcan combat cruisers...,

...Valdores, Ferengi ships, and all the other canon ships we didn't see because they only had so many 3D models on-hand.

 

With the Enterprise-A, the Excelsior, and Kronos-One being there on loan from the Klingons, maybe the museum was in the middle of "Khitomer Accords Month" or some such. Kinda like how museums have special exhibitions on Ancient Egypt, Rome, etc.

 

Ooh. Now I'm picturing a certain set of boots being on display either on the Kronos One or the Ent-A

 

Weren't the graphics from the (Franz Joseph?) blueprints for the USS Constitution.The ship is pre-refit and has the serial number NCC-1700 (I just rewatched the scene on YouTube it before typing this).

What is it you think they were doing? TOS easter egg?

 

Its possible that SF started upgrading them, and most of those that already had both internal and external upgrades were out exploring and too far from the Federation to get back in time. The ones that didn't get the external upgrades may have been inside UFP space waiting for their turn to be reconfigured externally, but didn't get to that point until after the Dominion War.

Alternatively, the Excelsior II upgrade in terms of external design didn't come about until the turn of the 25th century and prior to then, the Excelsiors were kept on par with the rest of the fleet by getting internal upgrades mostly, and a few may have been turned into the Obena class (that was Sovereigneized)... aka, the way I see it, the Obena is just an upgraded pre-existing Excelsior class ship with Sovereign bits (and intermitted upgrade prior to the full blown Excelsior II upgrade which finalized the look of the ship).

 

A kitbash doesn't require the added parts to be from other kits. The added parts can be scratch built as well.

The NX-01 refit is most definitely a kitbash. As it's the base ship with a secondary hull and extra pylon bits added to it.

 

I was talking about the NX-01 graphic in the screencap I posted of TATV.

 

The proverbial elephant in the museum for me is, where is a recreation of the Enterprise 1701-C (if the destruction of a starship doesn’t exclude it from being represented in the museum)?

Considering, earlier this season we are shown that Captain Rachel Garrett is rightfully acknowledged by Starfleet - in my mind, it absolutely stands to reason the Ent-C would also be acknowledged in the museum…

 

There's no good answer - certainly if it is seen as a USS Arizona analogue it'd be rough to do a full-scale representation maybe without seeming somewhat disrespectful.

 

There's probably a rule about how many Enterprises they can have on display at one time.

 

Two might already be pushing it and those are just the ones we can see on the outside of the museum.

 

I'm still not convinced that the ships that we see on display on the outside in the rings aren't holograms.

Given how they're floating with nothing mooring them and no active sign of a tractor beam.

I wouldn't be surprised if the real vessels were inside SpaceDock.

 

I had to laugh about somebody begrudging there being two Akiras. I mean, other people in Starfleet did stuff too fellas.

 

The Enterprise-C (actually the Zhukov, crudely repainted) is actually owned by Quark and parked in orbit around Lissepia where the new headquarters for Quark's Holdings L.P. is located for tax purposes. He charges a whole bar of latinum to see it per visitor. He originally wanted to buy the B, but Gaila was faster.

 

Given that Jack and Sidney beamed aboard one to secure a cloaking device, I would say they're more than holograms.

 

I'm sure that the real vessels are there at the Space Dock, but I think they're parked safely on the inside, firmly moored.

Ergo, they beamed inside the SpaceDock StarShip garage, onto the HMS Bounty, and burgled the cloaking device, then came back.