Spoilers Season 3 wild speculation
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I don't see how you could possibly think that when the obvious answer is really that it's Liquidator Brunt! But it's actually Jeffrey Combs playing Liquidator Brunt, but he's been surgically altered to look like Weyoun, to fool the changelings that it is indeed not, Jeffrey Coombs.
It’s really got me now who this returning “recurring 90s” character is. Here’s the hints we have:
In addition, RMB said he never expected this actor to return to Star Trek, and apparently Jessie Gender revealed it was a DS9 character before deleting it. But the Rolling Stone piece implies it’s someone Picard has dealt with before.
Assuming it is indeed a DS9 recurring player, you have potentially:
The Female Changeling
Elim Garak
Rom
Weyoun
Brunt
The Female Changeling would make sense for this story, but Salome Jens is 87 and appears to be retired. Rule Weyoun and Brunt out as Combs returning wouldn’t be a big surprise.
Garak would be the biggest impact out of the above, given Andrew Robinson hasn’t been keen to return to the makeup in the past (I think). But none of those characters have been on screen with Picard previously.
But maybe the “recurring” wording is just a vague misnomer and it’s one of the main cast. Jeez, just imagine if the actor appears at the end of episode 4 and it’s Brooks that steps out. Yeah yeah, I know…
TrekCore said:
RollingStone said:
In addition, RMB said he never expected this actor to return to Star Trek, and apparently Jessie Gender revealed it was a DS9 character before deleting it. But the Rolling Stone piece implies it’s someone Picard has dealt with before.
Assuming it is indeed a DS9 recurring player, you have potentially:
The Female Changeling
Elim Garak
Rom
Weyoun
Brunt
The Female Changeling would make sense for this story, but Salome Jens is 87 and appears to be retired. Rule Weyoun and Brunt out as Combs returning wouldn’t be a big surprise.
Garak would be the biggest impact out of the above, given Andrew Robinson hasn’t been keen to return to the makeup in the past (I think). But none of those characters have been on screen with Picard previously.
But maybe the “recurring” wording is just a vague misnomer and it’s one of the main cast. Jeez, just imagine if the actor appears at the end of episode 4 and it’s Brooks that steps out. Yeah yeah, I know…
Vadic doesn't remotely look like someone who'd be a combination of all these species. The Fed President and Discovery or Krall and his goons from Beyond look more like that.
Then why is she smoking?
Wasn't Cristobal Rios smoking a holographic cigar on a Starfleet bridge last season?
And? He's human, she isn't.
It's sort of like Oh wearing sunglasses in Season 1 despite her Romulan/Vulcan eyesight having secondary eyelid etc.. Some villains just do things to unnerve their opponents.
Let's go fucking crackpot with this:
Sisko had unresolved issues with Picard due to the Borg and Locutus.
The first episode of the season featured one of Picard's log entries from BOBW playing on Beverly's computer, the one where Picard wonders about the Borg's particular interest in him and the Enterprise.
They've brought back the First Contact theme music, you know – the movie with the Borg.
The first season of Picard featured the Borg and "Synths," and drew symbolic parallels between them. We know Lore and Moriarty are back, but their role is unknown.
The Changelings stole something from Daystrom institute, but we also don't know what it is.
The Changelings are apparently after Picard in particular via Jack
So, obviously, season 3 will resolve all the loose ends re Borg and Synths from seasons 1 and 2. Queen Jurati will come back. The Changeling plan to attack the Federation involves the Borg or stolen Borg technology, and Picard has knowledge they need, something about his time at Wolf 359. (And while I'm at it: Vadic is an exB from the Reclamation project, and she's actually mad she was removed from the Collective. She's helping the Changelings in return for being reassimilated.)
Wolf 359 plus Dominion will be enough for Sisko to return, and he'll be pissed.
Oh, and Sisko is the intelligence at the center of the nebula and he saves the Titan from Vadic. Sure, why not.
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Picard (in the brig): You came here to gloat?
Barclay: Pretty much.
Ro Laren: Yeah.
Thomas Riker: I've got to go to the next cell and mock the other me and tell him on top of the tables being turned, I realize I dodged a bullet with Deanna choosing him over me.
Wesley (teleports in): Hey Picard, if you want to bail and become a 21st century supervisor or something, just let me know. There's a bunch of young mutants in a parallel universe who could use your guidance.
The only person I can think of that has any connection to Picard and was a DS9 crew member is O'Brien.
I am unsure what reason he would have to return and create havoc unless something happened that we have not been informed about.
I am leaning towards the reveal that Tasha Yar will be referenced with Vadic being the daughter of Tasha Yar and Lt Castillo, as there was never any mention of what happened to him and other survivors. We could be looking at someone whose parents were killed and only has the Yesterday's Enterprise logs that she has listened to, thinking of Picard as a harsh warmonger and wanting revenge. This is why they are trapped in the nebula, she wants Picard to suffer loss that she suffered by him losing his child after just finding him.
Another thing that always struck me and could be an interesting way to tie things together is how Armus can change his shape and said he was discarded by a race of titans, what if the changelings shed this evil every so often and there is some connection with Armus to them, further cementing Vadic's hatred of them and using them for her own ends as they are responsible for the death of her mother in the prime timeline.
Not exactly worked out how this would all connect but I certainly think there is going to be a Tasha Yar reveal somewhere with the events of Yesterday's Enterprise coming back to haunt Picard, even though he has no idea what he did as it is in a collapsed timeline
I am unsure what reason he would have to return and create havoc unless something happened that we have not been informed about.
I am leaning towards the reveal that Tasha Yar will be referenced with Vadic being the daughter of Tasha Yar and Lt Castillo, as there was never any mention of what happened to him and other survivors. We could be looking at someone whose parents were killed and only has the Yesterday's Enterprise logs that she has listened to, thinking of Picard as a harsh warmonger and wanting revenge. This is why they are trapped in the nebula, she wants Picard to suffer loss that she suffered by him losing his child after just finding him.
Another thing that always struck me and could be an interesting way to tie things together is how Armus can change his shape and said he was discarded by a race of titans, what if the changelings shed this evil every so often and there is some connection with Armus to them, further cementing Vadic's hatred of them and using them for her own ends as they are responsible for the death of her mother in the prime timeline.
Not exactly worked out how this would all connect but I certainly think there is going to be a Tasha Yar reveal somewhere with the events of Yesterday's Enterprise coming back to haunt Picard, even though he has no idea what he did as it is in a collapsed timeline
Never even thought about O’Brien, he’d fit the “recurring but also DS9” criteria.
Re: Tasha Yar, I’m pretty sure Matalas’s comment about there being a “nod” to Tasha is going to be just that, a nod. Maybe there’s a Yar wing at the museum or something.
The Prodigal Crewman angle is screaming Lieutenant Ro.
I think Matalas has said O’Brien isn’t in this.
I fully expect there to be a plaque on the E-D bridge when they visit that mentions Tasha and that’s it. I think people are speculating way to hard trying to wedge her into a bigger role than she likely has.
sure sounds like it. If the DS9 connection thing is accurate it could be a sly reference to the original plan of having Ro on the show before they created Kira.
In the grand scheme of things, Yar was an insignificant officer who died on some distant planet. Not sure that rises to the level of getting her own museum wing. Around here, that gets you a named segment of the freeway, at most.
So apparently Jorg Hillebrand is saying on twitter that the Shrike's interface screens are the same language used by the Dominion in DS9. I'm not fluent in Dominionese (or whatever the Founders speak/write in) so maybe others here can comment on that.
Assuming that this indicates the Shrike is a rogue Dominion ship, and not just a ship they appropriated and uploaded with Dominion software, Picard is basically Star Wars sequel trilogy all over again. The Empire/Dominion lost, a faction who refuse to abide by the treaty break off and suddenly have superpowered ships and weapons that catch the New Republic/Federation off guard. Odo did a poor job of deradicalizing his fellow solids if they have superweapons and the like on hand.
Assuming that this indicates the Shrike is a rogue Dominion ship, and not just a ship they appropriated and uploaded with Dominion software, Picard is basically Star Wars sequel trilogy all over again. The Empire/Dominion lost, a faction who refuse to abide by the treaty break off and suddenly have superpowered ships and weapons that catch the New Republic/Federation off guard. Odo did a poor job of deradicalizing his fellow solids if they have superweapons and the like on hand.
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