They retconned it already by saying that the University student in Incredible Hulk and Peter's High School teacher WERE the same person years apart, so we haven't "officially" met Amadeus Cho yet.
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They retconned it already by saying that the University student in Incredible Hulk and Peter's High School teacher WERE the same person years apart, so we haven't "officially" met Amadeus Cho yet.
So it's looking like Quantumania is going to be the first real MCU flop, with no Covid mitigation factor for the numbers.
On the one hand it's amazing it's taken this long. On the other hand it's not good since it's the foundation stone for the next three or four years of movies.
On the one hand it's amazing it's taken this long. On the other hand it's not good since it's the foundation stone for the next three or four years of movies.
It looks like hardcore fans are turning out early but not watching multiple times and general audiences are "meh I'll wait for streaming". Interesting to see how these react to this - do we see a course correction?
Disappointing that it's been poorly received, since I quite liked the first two Ant-Man movies. Still, I liked Eternals a lot better than I would've expected from its reviews, so hopefully the same will go here.
Well Covid has drastically change the theater going experience for a lot of people including myself. I use to go to opening weekend for every big movie but not since covid. Only been twice and I have been waiting until the crowds die down. So I am at a quandary, do I see Quantumania in the theater or wait a month or two and watch it on Disney+?
I think that despite people like us discussing the extended universe, most people go to see the Marvel movies based on the heroes and word of mouth. It may be that people liked the comedy and light-hardheartedness of the previous movies rather than the character himself--and this just wasn't the Ant-Man they felt they deserved.
Same. I've only gone to the movies twice since the theaters opened up, and both movies, were in fact Marvel movies.
Second. Incredible Hulk flopped a long time ago already. Granted, before the Avengers made all marvel movies 'must see' (insofar as such a thing has ever really been true).
I don't have a lot of free time right now, so to find a moment to go to the movies with my MCU buddy is tricky. Also, I hate people and there's usually a lot of them at the movies.
Plus, I'm getting burned out by the MCU to be honest. I love rewatching the old stuff, but the new stuff is a bit meh for me right now. Maybe I'll get back into it, but right now it's fine if I don't see it straight away. In 6 to 8 weeks I can sit on my comfy couch in sweatpants with my favorite beer and snacks and watch it on D+. I'm in no rush.
Speaking of not being in a rush, interesting report here on WHY The Marvels is delayed. If it's true, it seems the studio is listening to critique.
https://www.joblo.com/the-marvels-delayed-2/
I hope that is the reason and not needing to do reshoots and fix something.
If it were reshoots, that wouldn't automatically be a bad thing. Laypeople always react to news of reshoots as if it were some terrible problem, but it's actually quite normal and expected for any production that has the time and budget for it, just like multiple rewrites are a normal part of writing novels or scripts. Nobody expects the first draft to be perfect, or even particularly good. Taking the time to rework and improve something as much as it needs isn't a failure of the process, it is the process. Granted, sometimes the attempts to fix it make it worse, and those are the cases that give reshoots a bad reputation. But often the changes are improvements.
But it sounds like they're just slowing down their mad rush and giving the CGI teams the time they need to get it right, which is certainly a good thing. I kinda wish they'd done the same with She-Hulk.
True, but it did not work well for Antman 3 which changed the ending at the 11th hour doing reshoots a month ago.
I wonder if the Ant-Man films just aren't appealing enough in general to bring people in over lackluster trailers and bad reviews at this point. The last four MCU films (Wakanda Forever, Thor 4, Dr. Strange 2 and No Way Home) all made a ton of money, so its certainly not "MCU fatigue" or whatever MCU haters will instantly jump on when a movie doesn't do well.
At most, I think that some sections of the MCU aren't as fail proof as they were back in the day. Ant-Man always felt like a just ok part of the MCU, a lot of people like Ant-Man himself but its not like Ant-Man 1 or 2 lit the world on fire critically or commercially, they were decently financially successful and liked, especially for a C-list hero property, but it doesn't feel like it went from C to A level like, say, GOTG did. If, say, a Thor movie is mediocre it will still really bring the people in, but I don't think that Ant-Man is at that level.
I can't speak to the movie quality personally because I won't see it until its on Disney Plus (because of Evangeline Lily, and her [supposed] ardent defender Peyton Reed, I won't give Disney a penny for the film), but its obviously not at the quality level it needed to be to bring people in, and honestly I think the advertising has not made it look very good. It also doesn't really look like much of an Ant-Man movie, it seems more like some weird cosmic thing, which is very different from the other Ant-Man films and that probably didn't help bring in more casual people.
As it is I think that Ant-Man 3 will be considered a failure in the end, but I don't think it really says much about the state of the MCU in general.
But isn't Subscribing to Disney+ giving Disney money? Anyway I will wait until it is on Disney+ to watch it and will get it on 4k disc because I am a completist.
Nothing works in every case, but that doesn't mean it fails in every case. I'll never understand why people want to blame the entire category for individual failures. If one apple is rotten, that doesn't mean they all are.
After all, my whole point is that reshoots are not the shocking exception that people insist on believing they are, but an entirely routine and commonplace practice. Like anything that happens all the time, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
If it is considered a failure, it is because people have much higher expectations for the MCU than they did pre-pandemic. It is a middle of the road MCU movie--maybe even the lower middle. If you go into it with that expectation then you won't be disappointed, especially if you are not paying for a theatre ticket.
From what I've heard and read about that certainly seems to apply.
It's a Kang-set & build up movie first with some Ant-Man-dressing.
I'm gonna watch it, once it's on demand.
the next Marvel movie I'm gonna see in theaters on opening day/weekend is "the Marvels". Have been looking forward to that one, since Captain Marvel and even more so after the fun and delightful "Ms. Marvel/Kamala Khan".
If it's indeed FX that they're giving the FX people time to improve/fix, that's welcome not only from a fan point of view, but also a more human one if you ask me. Don't mind waiting a few more months because of that.
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I miss the day when people used the correct terms and differentiated between reshoots and pick ups. I really do.
This requires people to actually care about what they're talking about instead of just shouting on the interwebz for browniepoints.
Also, as people pointed out already.... Refilming any part of the movie doesn't mean that what they had was bad. It just means that during editing they realized that something wasn't working. Or maybe it did, but the writer/producer/director suddenly had an idea that might work better and deliver a better end product.