Always a possibility. And again, I'm not against one or the other. Just that the Neo-Constitution as an explorer is a non-issue to me.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x02 - "Disengage"
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Jack is apparently Oxford educated. Maybe he picked up the accent there and decided he, or perhaps more importantly the ladies, liked it.
I was today years old when I learned that Amanda Plummer is the daughter of Christopher.
I hope I'm not the only one who didn't know that.
I hope I'm not the only one who didn't know that.
I don't think Vadic really wants Jack Jr. just for the bounty.
She's willing to take on a Fed Starship to get him.
There's something about him we don't know yet.
And also something about who really wants him. I don't believe Vadic would be revealed so early as the bad guy going by recent Trek.
THE SHEER FUC...
no, it's not her.
no, it's not her.
This is possible, but I don't buy it. It would be profoundly immoral and unethical to force her oldest and dearest friend to reproduce against his will.
Right now, my theory is that she and Jean-Luc had a night of connection in the wake of Data's death, and but then she withdrew because that's what she and Jean-Luc have always done -- they've always jerked each-other around, given each other mixed signals, been unwilling to just commit. And she knew Jean-Luc had commitment issues going way back. And then she got caught up in whatever it is that has kept her from everyone for the last twenty years.
I will say that Jack is the galaxy's most 30s-looking 20-year-old.
Minor correction: Raffi and Worf appear to be working for Starfleet Intelligence, not Starfleet Security. (S.I. does foreign intelligence and operates on foreign soil; Starfleet Security seems to handle internal security and domestic stuff.)
That's apples-to-oranges. The structure of a serialized story is very different from the structure of a one-off; you give more and longer scenes to fewer characters in a one-off and you rotate which characters get focus from episode-to-episode. With serialization, every character gets scenes, but they're shorter and fewer per character, and the character arc fully emerges over the course of several episodes. So complaining that Vadic is insufficiently well-developed after one episode in a serialized format is meaningless.
Well, no. Plummer is chewing the scenery a little bit, but it's far less over-the-top than Jesse James Keitel's performance as Captain Angel. Kietel is telegraphing to us that Angel is not really a physical threat to the protagonists, so we can just enjoy them being emotionally uninhibited. Whereas Plummer is more restrained, communicating to us that while Vadic is emotionally less inhibited and feels very empowered, she is also genuinely dangerous. Kietel is winking at the audience in "The Serene Squall;" Plummer is never winking at the audience in "Disengaged."
Yeah, I didn't quite buy that they didn't immediately scan Jack to confirm whose kid he was.
Or maybe he was just experimenting with his hair. Plenty of people in their early 20s do that.
By my count, "The Star Gazer" and "Farewell" take place in January 2401, whereas "The Next Generation" and "Disengage" take place in April 2401. He's the Chancellor of Starfleet Academy in S2 but Shaw says he's retired by "The Next Generation."
Personally, I don't care for the idea that Ben's baseball got from Kira's desk to a stinky little Ferengi scumbag, soon to be lost forever when his place gets ransacked by other scumbags. I know there's twenty years between appearances of it, but still...
I'm pretty sure Ben's baseball is still sitting on the commander's desk aboard Starbase Deep Space 9, and that there are indeed multiple baseballs in the Milky Way Galaxy.
Agreed that she's way too powerful to just be a bounty hunter, but I don't think it's particularly plausible that a hologram with delusions of grandeur would be able to marshal the kinds of resources Vadic and her faction seem to possess.
Vadic is definitely more than a bounty hunter though. She's read Captain Shaw's Starfleet personnel file -- how would she know to expect him or have access to that file? She's got a mole in Starfleet somewhere.
Unless she's lying. (I hope she's lying.)
I would hate that idea because Jarok is supposed to be sympathetic in "The Defector," but it's very clear from Sela's words in "Redemption" that her parents' relationship was not consensual. Sela was the product of rape.
I didn't take that to mean that the Titan is weak. Rather, I took that to mean that the Titan is not as powerful as a dedicated combat vessel and that the Shrike is far, far more powerful than a mere bounty hunter ship ought to be. Like, it's literally described by Seven as having been the subject of Fenris Ranger gossip about a pirate ship possessing tech more advanced than Starfleet's.
In fairness, the writers spend the entire episode applying more and more pressure on Shaw to come around to Jean-Luc's point of view.
Will forces Jean-Luc and Shaw to make a decision by waking Beverly up to confirm who Jack is, against the wishes of the Titan's doctor. Seven pushes Shaw to rescue Jean-Luc and Will and then defies orders to capture Jack. Seems pretty pro-active to me.
We literally saw Seven give Shaw everything the Starfleet database had on the relevant actors.
They never describe it as "underpowered." You're reading more into the exploration vessel line that it actually conveys. He's not saying it's underpowered, he's saying the odds of the Titan surviving against such an absurdly over-powered enemy like the Shrike are lower than those of a dedicated combat vessel (such as, for example, whatever the 25th Century equivalent of the Defiant class would be).
Jean-Luc has known and been close to Beverly since the 2340s. We're talking about sixty years of friendship. Will has known her for almost forty years and served alongside her for 15 years. They know that whatever she's involved in, she has a good reason for it.
You have a very different definition of "horrified" than I do.
I mean, she was aboard the Stargazer for about five minutes -- hardly enough to warrant a posting there.
So far, I do think that there's no particular plot reason the ship Jean-Luc and Will take to reach the Eleos had to be the Titan. In terms of the narrative function it plays, it could just as easily have been the Stargazer or La Sirena. But there may well be a plot reason it needed to be the Titan in a subsequent episode, so we'll see.
Vadic is only the subplot villain...the real villian is yet to be revealed which is good as Vadic the cackling old boogeyman villain is already starting to grate
I think "Vaporizing the entire surface of a planet with your beam weapons" isn't a particularly high bar by the 24th / 25th century.
It seems like any 2nd Tier Interstellar Navy can do it.
Beverly's been compromised before. Picard himself was almost killed by her ghost candle boyfriend and the ship endangered.
That's not even getting into her acknowledged change of character by cutting them off for 2 decades.
I knew my brother and mother for 30 years and some of the things they ended up doing I never would've believed until it actually happened. Furthermore, certain polarizing elections have left so many people realizing they didn't really know friends and relatives and the phenomenon was so common I think it's sort of a research field now.
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He can be retired from Starfleet service and be the Chancellor of the Academy at the same time.
NDAs aren't voided just because a talk show host ask you about the subject! Matalas says that there is mention of Tasha Yar, but that's it. Doesn't rule out Sela being the one pulling Vadic's strings. There were three recurring baddies in TNG: Lore, Moriarty, and Sela. I don't see Matalas bringing back two and not the third.
You've never felt the need to cut off contact with people due to change in life circumstances?
I mean, they've all been victims of mind control at some point or other, but the odds of that are pretty low and there's no evidence of it. Also, while her cutting them off was obviously very hurtful and not consistent with what they understood of her before -- it's not evidence of some kind of fundamental personality change or evidence she doesn't deserve their trust in a life-or-death scenario.
You probably missed my edit--
I knew my brother and mother for 30 years and some of the things they ended up doing I never would've believed until it actually happened. Furthermore, certain polarizing elections have left so many people realizing they didn't really know friends and relatives and the phenomenon was so common I think it's sort of a research field now.
Families have been torn apart by the Ukraine war for example and that is literal life and death scenario where you realize you can't trust your friends and relatives because their minds have been influenced by an entirely different philosophy. I know people involved in such.
People willingly let covid spread because they believed it was a hoax and people died because of it.
That's certainly fair, and I don't want to in any way disrespect your lived experiences. But clearly Jean-Luc and Will feel differently about Beverly. Especially since they were all routinely in life-or-death situations where they had to rely on one-another to survive for almost twenty years, which is the sort of thing that both builds trust and reveals more about people's character than most scenarios in a normal civilian life.
As much as we would like to believe we know people, we don't know everything about them. There are some lines that people may cross that surprise us, because it goes to a value that we didn't realize had such an impact upon the behavior.
Sure. But Will and Jean-Luc obviously don't feel that way about Beverly.
