Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x02 - "Disengage"
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I mean, I think it speaks more to Picard and Riker's misstep in terms of taking the Titan out in to the fray without a) knowing it's new specifications and b) knowing what they were up against. As plots go this is fairly simple to understand. Hopefully with Vadic's further revelations it will become more compelling.
Oh, it goes back further than that. How many times on TOS did a guest-starring ambassador, scientist, colonist, Starfleet prosecutor, whatever just happen to be an old flame of Kirk, Spock, or McCoy? Or an estranged relative, old mentor, etc.
That we had never heard of them before doesn't change that fact that our heroes just happen to keep running into important figures from their past, even when going boldly where no one has gone before.
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No, I don't have a problem with it because I think Shaw's change made sense. And I don't see it a sudden about-face. Shaw is a good captain who is able to change when conditions change. So yes, in the beginning, he did not like Picard and Riker just coming onboard. He does not really like their "cowboy" antics in the past. He thinks they are entitled to flaunt the rules just because they are "starfleet legends". I don't think those feeling changed. However, the situation changed and Shaw is able to put his personal feelings aside. He has to deal with reality whether he likes it or not. Going to the Ryton System was done against his orders. But once Picard and Riker were trapped on the Elios, he had to rescue them even if he did not like it. As a Starfleet captain, he cannot be responsible for not saving decorated legends like Picard and Riker. Seven points that out and he accepts it. He knows saving Picard and Riker is the Starfleet way, regardless of his personal feelings. And he knows the Shrike is no match for the Titan so he wants to surrender Jack. He wants to put the lives of the crew first. He is right about that. But when it is revealed that Jack is not just some criminal, but the son of Picard, an Admiral too, the situation has changed. He cannot just sacrifice Picard's son. And I think Shaw is a father so he understands where Picard is coming from. He understands any father would fight to save their son. Picard has to save his own son. Shaw gets that so he let's Picard take charge.
I mean, none of them have talked to Crusher in 20 years. Her son is a criminal and for all they know she's gone down the criminal path in recent decades too. Crusher might be outright lying for her own nefarious purposes. Seska did as much by trying to trick Chakotay that she had his kid in Voyager.
I am curious if the Shrike is the "baseline" model from which the Narada also originated. Would be a nice call-out to the Abramsverse, not heard since Temporal Operative LTC Yor's appearance in DSC a couple of seasons back.
Wasn't a big fan of the constant use of the brown note every time the Shrike was shown on-screen, though. That got a bit repetative.
I can't believe people that gave this 1, 2, or 3. They are just hate watching like people do for Discovery. They want to make sure everyone knows they hate it. I wish I had the time to hate watch shows. I have a career, I have limited time to watch shows. So I only watch a series if I really want to. Shows like NuTrek, You, The Last of Us, and Abbott Elementary.
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Voting an episode a "3" doesn't necessarily imply hate watching. I gave it a "5" and I very much want to enjoy the show, but if I have problems with something, or multiple somethings, then that "5" shows my dissatisfaction. Some folks might think 1, 2, or 3 does better at that. If they're not here telling anyone how dumb they are for enjoying the show, and explaining that "1" is all the series deserves, there's no real issue, IMO.
I definitely quit Lower Decks in season 1 rather than continue to waste time on it. Picard's so close to ending its run, I don't know if this episode is enough to make me sit out the few remaining episodes left.
Bev and Jack are independent "doctors without borders", operating outside Federation space. Think NGO operating in warlord controlled Africa trying to reach people with AIDS. When trying to bring medicine to places controlled by warlords, you might have to steal or bribe. So yeah, they are technically criminals but it is for a good cause to save lives.
Shaw and Picard already took that into account and they still seemed horrified by Jack's criminal record regardless, especially Picard chewing him out on the brig.
Would Jack qualify as a "doctor", though? I suspect he's probably just a black marketeer who excels at acquiring medical supplies, using them as a pretense to smuggle less savory items on the back-end. <cough-cough>Romulan Ale</cough-cough>
But jack-of-all-trades seemed to work really well for them in the pass, the Constitution class as mentioned by WarpFactorZ for example. And as Amaris explained, if ships are supposed to be operating on their own for long periods of time, you'd want them to be designed in a such a way they could deal with all sorts of situations. Does that mean every ship has to be the Defiant class or Sovereign class? Well, no. But you'd think they be able to have a strong hull to take a photon torpedo or two. Shaw made it seem like the Titan is made out of paper mache. I mean survived a collision with another vessel, so it's bit sturdier than that.
Plus it's only Jack and Beverly on that ship. How could she not know what he's been doing? I'm surprised Vadic didn't demand her too as an accessory to his crimes.
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This. Being a criminal doesn't make you a bad person, it just means you committed a crime according to someone's legal system. That leaves it open to great interpretation.
Yeah, that's what I thought when Crusher appeared on the bridge.
Wow... Good catch! I totally forgot that there were some ideas kicking around that Wesley was Picard's son as well.
That is a DEEP cut in my opinion. With Wesley in the background. DANG.
