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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x02 - "Disengage"

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Folks, please stop with the S2 TNG and Naked Now guesses. That is just not realistic.

#1) Beverly would have had to immediately abonded the kid for 6-10 years to return to TNG and never tell anyone, including Wesley.

#2) Remember, Crusher and Picard are mentally linked for an entire episode. No secrets between them. It has to be AFTER that.
 
Man the Ferengi scenes were a blast of easter eggs.

Really liked the Sneed character was the early TNG Ferengi. All the way down to the fur costuming and tattoos. Also the line about nostalgia/vintage, all the while panning to the baseball and slugocola bottle. Loved it. Just a cool scene.

I am glad to see a version of the Ferengi that isn’t the DS9 comedic relief.
 
Other tidbits which were more amusing than anything else... everyone suddenly remembers that Picard is a robot (which I think was forgotten in S2) and Section 31 is actually so bad at their jobs that this super secret organization is basically the first guess anyone has when they see a sneaky human lurking around.

There were at least 3 references to Picard being a synthetic in season 2.

1. Jurati told Picard he was looking positronic
2. Q refers to Picard's synthetic body in episode 2.2
3. Defibrillator sparked up when used on Picard. Implied to be because of Picard's synthetic body.
 
I'm not averse to spoilers and haven't seen the episode yet, but one thing someone on Reddit picked up was when they scanned Vadic's ship, it wasn mentioned that there was positronic energy and energy signatures they don't recognize. Could they be holograms (or androids), and this is where Moriarty comes in? If his storage drive that was recovered from the D was plugged in anywhere near a mainframe...it would explain so much about how Vadic knows so much. The tech is obviously around, thanks to "Doc Zimmerman" from Voyager and Moriarty is certainly smart enough to be TIIIICKED. It would also add a note to the "Trust No One" beat from Beverly.

I'm ambivalent to the whole Picard/Crusher having a kid thing. I'm more irritated at Laris getting crapped on. I like her. Wile Picard doesn't like kids, I've never seen him as one to shirk responsibility. I feel like if he knew, he would have at least offered to be involved. I'm hoping that there is more to it.

I can't wait to watch Vadic chew scenery. Tonight!

Not having seen it yet, I could be talking out my aft manifold.
 
The rejuvenating effects on Ba'ku planet might've had something to do with it. But yes, that's pretty cruel of her. They better have a very good explanation or it's character assassination in my book.

Edit: Let me take a shot at Bev's possible rationale, here.

1) Picard & Beverly tried to be lovers after Nemesis but the relationship did not work.

2) After that, she discovers she is pregnant.

3) Telling him at that point likely means he stays in a relationship they both know doesn't work out of duty. Would he resent her? Is raising a child in that situation healthy? Plus, it is likely he would feel like she was trying to trap him. So instead, she decides to go raise the kid on her own.

Hell, he could have told her he does not want kids. We certainly know he is not confortable around them.

We'll find out more as we go. She may not have wanted to stay with HIM, either. But it is certainly a decision I can understand easily. If not necessarily agree with. Once you start down that path initially, it is a lot easier to keep going than tell the truth later and get judged by your friends like Crusher is getting judged in here.

Again, not saying her call was correct, but I can certainly see how she got to where she is.
 
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I'm sorry, I love the TNG cast but this is probably one of the worst episodes of Trek I've seen, worse than Voyager: Threshold in my opinion. I have no idea why Sir Patrick agreed to this ridiculous plot. It's not like he was exactly starving for money especially after the X-Men movies.

We know from DS9 that there's male birth control, and that's not even getting into the improbability of Crusher conceiving at her age unless she was purposely using 24th century fertility treatments. And then her hiding this son from Picard? She basically deprived Picard of his wish to have a family as shown in Generations in the Nexus. How could she do that to him?

I already had a feeling he was Picard's son so I wasn't surprised. I prefer this over some theories about him being a clone. I'm willing to wait and see what happens before jumping to conclusions. The questions you raised above are bound to be answered so we just have to see how it plays out. Even if you end up not liking this aspect of the plot, there is more to the season

Also how come the Titan was hyped up to be the newest, latest, and greatest ship in the fleet last week and suddenly Shaw's all like "We're a science vessel, we can't handle combat!" Even as far back as TOS the 1701 was stated to be extremely powerful despite its mission being science.

When/how was it hyped up to be the greatest ship in the fleet? They just said it had undergone a refit. I don't recall any mention of it being the greatest ship in the fleet.
 
When/how was it hyped up to be the greatest ship in the fleet? They just said it had undergone a refit. I don't recall any mention of it being the greatest ship in the fleet.
Fair enough, perhaps I'm influenced by the instagram logs that said a Titan was the flagship
 
I remember an interview Matalas gave before the season started saying that he wanted to try and make each episode its own distinct thing. It was still going to be a 10 hour movie, but every installment was going to have its own beginning, middle, and end. So far we're two episodes in and it really doesn't feel like that at all. Just feels like a much longer presentation cut up.

It's kind of like that in a sense.

Episode 1 Find Beverly
Episode 2: Introduce villain and make decision about what to do with Jack.

I don't think he indicated each episode was going to be episodic.
 
A fun 12 MONKEYS Easter egg... One of Jack Crusher's aliases is "James Cole"... the name of Aaron Stanford's character on the show (and of course the protagonist of the 1990s film as well...).

More generally, I'm getting nervous regarding the quality of the show's writing overall at this point. I understand that Matalas wasn't really showrunner last time around, but we have the writer's credits for much of the last season out already and it's the same people who wrote season 2 - people who he brought over from 12 Monkeys for the most part. The overall narrative seems to be more cohesive, but I'm already seeing signs of sloppy, plot-focused writing - characters getting "hunches" which prove to be correct, amazing coincidences which happen because they need to, etc.
The only other 12 MONKEYS people on season 2 were Christopher Monfette (who took over as the #2 writer when Terry left) and Travis Fickett (who co-wrote the story for 204, but was listed as a consulting producer and likely developing the Witch Mountain and Bewitched projects both he and Matalas are linked to). Cindy Appel worked for Matalas before, but on MACGYVER. The name you should be worrying about in the season 3 credits is Jane Maggs (204, 206, 207), who came over from the Secret Hideout Man Who Fell to Earth project.

Why even bother having an amoral, ultra-secret cabal unhindered by the rule of law if they're going to completely miss that Starfleet was basically co-opted by the Manchurian Candidate for fifteen years? The Oh scandal should've been 31's one big shot to prove the utility of rummaging through every Federation citizen's trash looking for disloyalty and sedition, interrogating on a whim and assassinating on suspicion is needed to preserve freedom and democracy and rokeg blood pie for the little people who believe ideals are real, but, instead, they didn't even notice the most spectacular crime of the millennium had occurred right under their noses for fifteen years. And Raffi, some rando analyst with the legitimate intelligence agency, had already figured half of it out for them!
Season 1 was awful. This was probably the result of changing the season arc outline multiple times, and this being the least bad option to reconcile what they wanted to do at the end of the season with what they'd filmed at the beginning.

Shaw is coming across like a mix of Captain Queeg and Captain Quint.
JAWS has been mentioned in interviews as influencing someone's characterization...

Jack refers to the Eleos as a Mariposa medical vessel in the opening flashback, that's a neat tie in with Season 2.
Plus Seven as a Fenris Ranger working with them.

#2) Remember, Crusher and Picard are mentally linked for an entire episode. No secrets between them. It has to be AFTER that.
Very much this. From all the end episode graphics there's likely something "medically special" going on with Jack to make him interesting to Vadic, but I think the writers will try and make the conception as grounded as possible. Post-NEM and then Crusher breaking off contact with everyone because of it makes the most sense.

Picard/Crusher has been a thing since TNG season 1, so I'm really not opposed to them having a child together. Unfortunately what STP season 1 established about the post NEM timeline forces it into being a bit more contrived than ideally would have been the case.

How can you choose which version plays?
Unfortunately the Paramount+ app is very UN-user friendly, at least on an Android smart tv. It even locks out the screen calibration functions during playback! But, I also have an Amazon Fire Stick. I loaded the P+ app there, then can control from the Fire Stick setting if it's outputting HDR / DV or not. And since it's an external input, I can calibrate the incoming signal and punch up the brightness and color saturation.

So it all comes down to what your TV make and model is, and if you are using an external device like a Fire Stick or Apple TV.
 
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Man the Ferengi scenes were a blast of easter eggs.

Really liked the Sneed character was the early TNG Ferengi. All the way down to the fur costuming and tattoos. Also the line about nostalgia/vintage, all the while panning to the baseball and slugocola bottle. Loved it. Just a cool scene.

I am glad to see a version of the Ferengi that isn’t the DS9 comedic relief.

I enjoyed Sneed a lot too. I also enjoyed the brief glimpse at his Starfleet criminal record. Brunt and Okona are clearly listed as known associates and i *think* I see Morn & Quark too (but it’s a bit hard to discern).
 
After the title card ("two weeks ago") we saw how he got intercepted by the Fenris Rangers.
He said, "First it was Fenris Rangers, then Klingons".

Doesn't mean they never encountered the Rangers again after the first encounter he was referring to.
 
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Fair enough, perhaps I'm influenced by the instagram logs that said a Titan was the flagship

Riker's Titan was. Not this one. It is confusing. And the name implies a strong ship, not a weak one.

Riker says he is commanding the baddest ship in the fleet at the end of S1, but it is not the Titan. It is the Zheng He (spelling?).
 
So, last episode Shaw refused Picard's orders because he was retired but now he accepts Picard's superiority? Or did he simply have a change of heart because Jack is his son?

I think the situations are different He refused Picard's orders to pivot from his orders from Starfleet and go to another location for no reason. In this case, they are in a decision where they are in immediate danger and involves sending someone to be murdered. I'm sure he also knows there are no guarantees Vadic won't destroy them anyway even if they turn in Crusher. He's deferring to Picard's experience here.
 
I get people wanting to go back to TNG S1/S2 given the age of the actors involved. But it is the characters we have to go off of.

Jack is early 20s not early 30s. Bev was 54/55 when conceiving. Unlikely but not impossible even today. And remember Insurrection. The all had their clocks rewound a bit.
 
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