Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x01 - "The Next Generation"

[Agony_Boothb]

Re: language used, the only one that really stuck out and bothered me was Shaw referencing people “above their pay grades”. Unless I missed something I thought Starfleet a post-money organization. I assumed they were all volunteers and even if they weren’t, they would all be compensated the same. If it’s just an expression, seems like it would be a super dated one.

Beverly used money to buy things in Encounter at Farpoint, Sisko used money to buy land on Bajor so obviously the Federation has some type of currency that is valid for use outside of it's jurisdiction. However it was most likely just an expression. We still use expressions that are hundreds of years old, why wouldn't 25th century society?

 

[Tuskin38]

 

[RuleofAcuisition17]

The Federation doesn't use money...until it does.

Seriously. That's pretty much it. If a writer feels like putting it in there, they will, and the continuity will just have to sort itself out.

And besides, we have always known (ever since TOS) that Federation credits are a thing. So there's your "pay".

You cannot, on God's Green Earth, convince me that The Federation doesn't work with some kind of money. There is no way in hell people are willingly working service jobs like being a watier at Siskos or a suds slinger in Bozeman at the theme park because they think it's fun.

Ya know, unless you were allowed to tell people to go to hell in your shop without consequence.

It becomes a stage play. Don't tell me that's humanity evolved.

I weep for thy lack of love for the bard.

It is his ship. If he wants legal names she has to follow protocol. If she legally gets her name changed to Seven than that's what Shaw would call her. But as far as we all know ship protocol would be to use legal names with rank not nicknames. Shaw is a by the book guy as Terry Matalas already stated.

THE RIDE. NEVER. ENDS.

Also, probably that.

"So Commander Hansen..."

"I prefer Seven."

"...did you change your name?"

"Sir?"

"Did you change your name with the Federation records office?"

"...no. But it's my prefered designation."

"I run a very professional ship. You may have had a bit more leeway back with Admiral Janeway or Retired Admiral Picard, but I run this ship by the books, very organised and formally. Which means I'd prefer if you went by Commander Hansen in the same way I, everyone on this ship, and many officers in Starfleet, go by their last names. To explain it further, it is to instil that everyone has a job to do, and is expected to be professional at all times."

"...I understand, Sir. If I may make my objections known?"

"They're noted, as is your right."

Which yeah, makes more sense to me knowing Matalas' love of complicated characters that seem like dicks at first blush.

I can also see 100% why Shaw was such a cock at Dinner. Two people who have a frankly disasterous, rebellious records and then clearly came to come and try and steal his fucking ship. Likely abusing their personal relationship with his XO to do so.

Which. Ya know.

They did.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Beverly used money to buy things in Encounter at Farpoint, Sisko used money to buy land on Bajor so obviously the Federation has some type of currency that is valid for use outside of it's jurisdiction. However it was most likely just an expression. We still use expressions that are hundreds of years old, why wouldn't 25th century society?

Starfleet realizes they may need currency outside fed worlds. That's been established for a long time.

 

[fireproof78]

I weep for thy lack of love for the bard.

I've acted two Shakespeare plays . The love has passed.

 

[RuleofAcuisition17]

I've acted two Shakespeare plays . The love has passed.

Oh well that's totally different.
You've suffered enough friend.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Starfleet realizes they may need current outside fed worlds. That's been established for a long time.

As have the Federation credits I just mentioned.

In fact, credits are only accepted within the Federation. That's why we see people using latinum all the time - for transactions outside Federation territory.

When Raffi, for example, asked for more money from her handler, it was probably in credits, because she was talking to Starfleet Intelligence.

 

[TRON JA307020]

You cannot, on God's Green Earth, convince me that The Federation doesn't work with some kind of money. There is no way in hell people are willingly working service jobs like being a watier at Siskos or a suds slinger in Bozeman at the theme park because they think it's fun.

Ya know, unless you were allowed to tell people to go to hell in your shop without consequence.



I weep for thy lack of love for the bard.



THE RIDE. NEVER. ENDS.

Also, probably that.

"So Commander Hansen..."

"I prefer Seven."

"...did you change your name?"

"Sir?"

"Did you change your name with the Federation records office?"

"...no. But it's my prefered designation."

"I run a very professional ship. You may have had a bit more leeway back with Admiral Janeway or Retired Admiral Picard, but I run this ship by the books, very organised and formally. Which means I'd prefer if you went by Commander Hansen in the same way I, everyone on this ship, and many officers in Starfleet, go by their last names. To explain it further, it is to instil that everyone has a job to do, and is expected to be professional at all times."

"...I understand, Sir. If I may make my objections known?"

"They're noted, as is your right."

Which yeah, makes more sense to me knowing Matalas' love of complicated characters that seem like dicks at first blush.

I can also see 100% why Shaw was such a cock at Dinner. Two people who have a frankly disasterous, rebellious records and then clearly came to come and try and steal his fucking ship. Likely abusing their personal relationship with his XO to do so.

Which. Ya know.

They did.

Exactly. There is more to Shaw than meets the eye. Matalas has made it quite clear.

 

[TRON JA307020]

As have the Federation credits I just mentioned.

In fact, credits are only accepted within the Federation. That's why we see people using latinum all the time - for transactions outside Federation territory.

When Raffi, for example, asked for more money from her handler, it was probably in credits, because she was talking to Starfleet Intelligence.

Exactly.

 

[Tuskin38]

In fact, credits are only accepted within the Federation. That's why we see people using latinum all the time - for transactions outside Federation territory.

When Raffi, for example, asked for more money from her handler, it was probably in credits, because she was talking to Starfleet Intelligence.

Where did you get the idea that credits can't be used outside of the Federation?

The Federation offered credits to use the Barzan Wormhole.

Raffi is outside of the Federation, and used credits to get her information and drugs.

 

[SJGardner]

Beverly used money to buy things in Encounter at Farpoint, Sisko used money to buy land on Bajor so obviously the Federation has some type of currency that is valid for use outside of it's jurisdiction. However it was most likely just an expression. We still use expressions that are hundreds of years old, why wouldn't 25th century society?

Just a random example: The Hungarian version for the idiom "going to the dogs" goes "ebek harmincadjára jut," roughly meaning "to have dogs take their thirtieth of it." We keep using this phrase despite most people having no idea what a thirtieth is. It was a toll levied on merchants that needed to be paid either upon entry into the realm or at the borders of the fiefs of certain powerful lords, Church-owned lands or free cities, that amounted to one thirtieth of the merchandise every single time the merchant was stopped, thus, the longer they spent on the road, the more of their merchandise was taken away as tolls. It was instituted by King Stephen I, more than a thousand years ago. And we're still using it long after the law was repealed.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Where did you get the idea that credits can't be used outside of the Federation?

The Federation offered credits to use the Barzan Wormhole.

Raffi is outside of the Federation, and used credits to get her information and drugs.

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srsly, I think I got that bit from something I heard about Quark's bar on DS9 once, that it had some kind of interstellar ATM for converting to latinum (which Quark does accept) from various other currencies which he does NOT accept.

So when I said credits aren't accepted outside the UFP I should have amended it with "by Quark".

 

[137th Gebirg]

Just a random example: The Hungarian version for the idiom "going to the dogs" goes "ebek harmincadjára jut," roughly meaning "to have dogs take their thirtieth of it." We keep using this phrase despite most people having no idea what a thirtieth is. It was a toll levied on merchants that needed to be paid either upon entry into the realm or at the borders of the fiefs of certain powerful lords, Church-owned lands or free cities, that amounted to one thirtieth of the merchandise every single time the merchant was stopped, thus, the longer they spent on the road, the more of their merchandise was taken away as tolls. It was instituted by King Stephen I, more than a thousand years ago. And we're still using it long after the law was repealed.

A 3% flat tax? I'd buy that for a dollar!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Re: language used, the only one that really stuck out and bothered me was Shaw referencing people “above their pay grades”. Unless I missed something I thought Starfleet a post-money organization. I assumed they were all volunteers and even if they weren’t, they would all be compensated the same. If it’s just an expression, seems like it would be a super dated one.

We use dated idioms all the time. Why would that change in the 25th Century?

 

[RuleofAcuisition17]

Where did you get the idea that credits can't be used outside of the Federation?

The Federation offered credits to use the Barzan Wormhole.

Raffi is outside of the Federation, and used credits to get her information and drugs.

I think DS9 kind of retcons it a little to make Gold Pressed Latinum a sort of Space version of the Medician Florin. Due to its incredibly complicated process of extraction that makes it unreplicatable. So it becomes the standard space currency a lot of people use.

I'd say its likely that Latinum is the equivalent of Troy Ounce Gold with there being an exchange similar to our own likely on Ferenginar. They'd love to speculate on currency and its eddies and flows.

We know the Bajorans probably accepted some sort of credit-Lita exchange for Sisko to buy pretty much the entire Kendra Valley in Kendra Province.

Love that Matalas is paying it forward like that. Got a planet named after him back in the old days, now a whole canonical member is named after a (clearly incredibly talented) make up artist.

 

[cooleddie74]

We use dated idioms all the time. Why would that change in the 25th Century?

Yep.

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[Mr. Laser Beam]

now a whole canonical member is named after a (clearly incredibly talented) make up artist.

Wouldn't be the first time.

A whole canonical Klingon starship class was named after yet ANOTHER talented makeup artist!

Sort of.

 

[Kraig]

IIRC terry said that Shaw chose Seven has his first officer, which makes this even more curious.

I think Shaw wants Seven as his first officer because he wants to prove that she shouldn't be in Star Fleet. He wants to give her the opportunity to fail and catch her in the act of being disobedient. That is why he is being so petty.

I had an XO in the USN that was the same way with ships company. It was so much better on the ship for the crew when he was reassigned to be the CO of our sister ship. It wasn't so good for our sister ship, though.

 

[TRON JA307020]

I think Shaw wants Seven as his first officer because he wants to prove that she shouldn't be in Star Fleet. He wants to give her the opportunity to fail and catch her in the act of being disobedient. That is why he is being so petty.

I had an XO in the USN that was the same way with ships company. It was so much better on the ship for the crew when he was reassigned to be the CO of our sister ship. It wasn't so good for our sister ship, though.

Possible but from what Matalas is saying Shaw is strictly by the book.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Perhaps Shaw had no idea how difficult Seven could be to work with.

Or he saw her as a kind of healing for the past trauma with the Borg that he almost certainly suffered (on the Constance).

Or both.