Season 4 = Poor

[plynch]

Oh HELL no. You have any qualm with Burnham as a character, and in a number of people’s minds, you are for sure! a misogynistic racist. That has toned down somewhat as ppl have become aware of some folks’ tendencies to react that way. But it was and still is a real thing.

 

[Anthony60]

Merry Christmas to the entire universe, Star Trek and otherwise! Even the Cardassians.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Oh HELL no. You have any qualm with Burnham as a character, and in a number of people’s minds, you are for sure! a misogynistic racist.

That may be in a number of people's minds, but I suspect it's rather a small number.

 

[Tuskin38]

Oh HELL no. You have any qualm with Burnham as a character, and in a number of people’s minds, you are for sure! a misogynistic racist. That has toned down somewhat as ppl have become aware of some folks’ tendencies to react that way. But it was and still is a real thing.

That’s not true at all

 

[plynch]

Not true that it toned down? Cause it sure came up a lot awhile ago.

 

[Tuskin38]

Not true that it toned down? Cause it sure came up a lot awhile ago.

No the first part, I should be been more specific.

 

[Amaris]

Season 4 has been my favorite season so far. Yeah, I had some *major* quibbles with it (please, PLEASE no more galaxy or universe ending season long arcs), but I really enjoyed it. The ending, especially, was novel enough, and I appreciate what they were trying to do.

 

[DonIago]

I thought the momentum of the season stalled a bit shortly before the end, but as an exploration of grief I appreciated Book's part through the season, and frankly I thought the emphasis on understanding over violence was one of the most true to the spirit of Star Trek things we've gotten in a long time.

 

[LtChange]

I really love season 4. I would have modified the structure a little bit, to get to know 10C a little bit earlier and the communication struggle to be a little bit longer (something like in Arrival but in serialized form) and Booker and Tarka maybe catch up with them later, but it is still a good season. I love how they used a lot of what is the core of Star Trek and showed that not ship to ship battles will make a good season of Star Trek or a good story but communication and conflict with the unknown is powerful story telling tool too. There are 2 or maybe 3 episodes that felt a little bit dragged out in the moment we were watching it week by week but binge re-watching the whole season it makes it more logical and more in place. So yeah ... I love the season, it is somewhere in my top 10 favorites season of Star Trek for sure.

 

[Amasov]

I actually thought Discovery was getting it right with the first half of the season. The episodes told multiple plots that, while not directly related to each other, all were focused in on the same theme.

They weren't entirely focused on the DMA because it was clear at that point it wasn't a galaxy-ending threat that needed to be dealt with. I didn't find myself constantly wondering when they were going to get back to it because I was far more intrigued with the episodic nature the season took. Of course, when the season shifted the focus back to the DMA, it just dragged on and on and on. They stretched it so thin across the last handful of episodes, I very nearly quit watching. The show went out of its way to not answer a damn thing because it wanted to hold off on doing it until the very last minute. They also cranked the melodrama up to a 10 and for absolutely no reason. And also at the worst times. The emotional moments between these characters just never quite landed for me because they didn't feel organic. They all felt forced and unrelated to what was going in the moment.

Even though I found the fourth season to be a vast improvement over the third, I still don't believe the show has found its voice and I question whether it ever will. Nevertheless, I look forward to each new season hoping I'll enjoy it.

 

[Quantum21]

Oh! I guess if I had to pick in order:

Season
2
4
1
3

 

[Tuskin38]

I think I agree. I might switch 3 and 1 around.

 

[Anthony60]

Well, I just watched ep 4 of season 3. A lot, I mean a lot of talk about feelings. Before this episode I thought they were over doing it. God, I hope it gets better.

 

[Tuskin38]

A lot, I mean a lot of talk about feelings.

Yes, they're human beings, they have feelings.

 

[Anthony60]

Yes, they're human beings, they have feelings.

Of course. Human beings go to the bathroom too. Didn't see any of that. Why does it dominate the show? It didn't used to be that way. I watched the first two seasons years ago, I don't remember it being this bad. I barely remembered they were on a mission. Or maybe they really aren't. I don't know.

 

[fireproof78]

A lot, I mean a lot of talk about feelings.

Good.

 

[Quantum21]

Of course. Human beings go to the bathroom too. Didn't see any of that. Why does it dominate the show? It didn't used to be that way. I watched the first two seasons years ago, I don't remember it being this bad. I barely remembered they were on a mission. Or maybe they really aren't. I don't know.

In the jump to the 31st century, the crew lost everything. History, family, roots, home. There was a feeling in fandom that they magnitude of this loss was not being reflected enough.

I think what we're seeing since then is the course correction...fallout from such changes, which in most cases, after such huge implications in every season, are unprecedented in their finality (no reset buttons, or episodic tv amnesia) in the franchise.

Without spoiling the rest of the season much, keep in mind that the statement of the season is about loneliness and communication, and how we were failing at this in 2021, and still are. The Burn is a metaphor for things that do this to us: politics, Covid, racism, etc.

 

[Anthony60]

In the jump to the 31st century, the crew lost everything. History, family, roots, home. There was a feeling in fandom that they magnitude of this loss was not being reflected enough.

I think what we're seeing since then is the course correction...fallout from such changes, which in most cases, after such huge implications in every season, are unprecedented in their finality (no reset buttons, or episodic tv amnesia) in the franchise.

Without spoiling the rest of the season much, keep in mind that the statement of the season is about loneliness and communication, and how we were failing at this in 2021, and still are. The Burn is a metaphor for things that do this to us: politics, Covid, racism, etc.

That could be, maybe I'll watch another one tonight. On the bright side, I didn't have to watch a 90 pound woman take out 5 people double her size!

 

[Anthony60]

Good.

Right. In your opinion. Not so much, in mine.

 

[fireproof78]

Right. In your opinion. Not so much, in mine.

Indeed.