That's what I've been saying for the past three years. But I'm glad it's spelled out again, so other people can finally catch up to where my take on this has been.
Early Review of Picard Season 3
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Based upon the discussions going on for the past decade within fandom (not just here, but elsewhere) I can safely say that paying attention does not always happen.
Now, where did I put my keys...?
They weren't. They were too busy freaking out over stuff. They need things reinforced over and over.
Check the transporter buffer.
Not again...
Spock’s mind restored from a copy in TSFS: Hooray!
Picard’s mind transferred to another body in PIC S1: OUTRAGE!
Yet to hear anyone who thought the latter explain the former.
And yeah, this isn’t really anything new and was always the intention (that it was still supposed to be the original JLP).
Picard’s mind transferred to another body in PIC S1: OUTRAGE!
Yet to hear anyone who thought the latter explain the former.
And yeah, this isn’t really anything new and was always the intention (that it was still supposed to be the original JLP).
Dave Cullen calls out the very ambiguous use of the verb "imaged".
I watched episode 110 about a week ago for the first time. Luckily I had the Blu-ray, as I was able to easily rewind and replay that scene like 10 times, only to decide that it was ambiguous and lacked the necessary clarity that such a major development would require.
It doesn't help that the very similar Star Trek: Cold Equations trilogy by David Mack, which addresses the return of Data for the Litverse continuity, makes a major, major plot point about said distinction...
No. It just mandated complete and total clarification, to the point that it can be replicated by fan art so that they are perfectly exact in their model, rather than leaving it to the imagination. Ambiguity is for "non fans"* (the heathens!)
*trademark pending.
It's also very similar to what Sargon, Thalassa, and Henoch did in "Return to Tomorrow" (TOS) when they would've had their consciousnesses transferred into android bodies. Though Picard's new body is syntho-organic and the ones in "Return to Tomorrow" were more true android (non-organic) bodies.
No, it's not an original concept. But I care more about the execution. I will say I don't like all the mourning before Picard's resurrection because it feels like such a fake-out, but I'm not against the concept of Picard being resurrected in and of itself. Resurrection is common-place in Star Trek.
Having listened to his thoughts, I trust him more than RMB. Since he is in the same sphere as that other known YT critic that called PIC S3 a disaster without watching. But unlike that critic, he seems to be impressed with PIC S3.
Yeah, they weren't ambiguous about it at all. People just wanted something to hate.
I watched the start of the Dave Cullen review, but I really want to go in without knowing as much as possible. I've seen this season called The Undiscovered Country for the TNG crew, which is high praise since that's my favorite movie. Hopefully that means there is more than meets the eye from the trailer. I still wish they had done the premiere episodes to various theaters around the country but considering Dave Cullen has been lumped in with the Nerderotics and Critical Drinkers (And I confess I do watch Critical Drinker from time to time) his glowing review speaks a little more volume than others who eat, live, and breathe Trek in this modern generation.
There are pendants who insist that a "copy" can never be the same thing as the original, therefore Picard is dead.
Leaving aside the question of real life, it obviously doesn't work like that within the Trekverse. There may not be a god in Trek, or an afterlife, but it has been proven time and time again that cartesian dualism exists in Trek's universe - that mind and body are different things and consciousness can be ported around to different bodies, regardless of whether you're an artificial or biological being.
No one is ever a pendant and argues that Spock wasn't "real Spock" after TWOK.
Here's the weird thing. I understand the motivation to trash recent Trek to get people to watch PIC Season 3. "The other stuff is trash, but this is good!" But weren't they also doing this with SNW? "The other stuff is trash, but this is good!" Or are these not the same people?
It annoyed the Hell out of me with SNW, but oddly it doesn't annoy me here. I don't know if it's because I like PIC better than SNW or if it's more I really do think Picard Season 3 will be THAT good, whereas I didn't get that sense with SNW.
EDITED TO ADD: Under normal circumstances, I'd consider this setting expectations for people too high. In this circumstance, I think you have to hype it up this much just to move the needle with certain people at all.
It annoyed the Hell out of me with SNW, but oddly it doesn't annoy me here. I don't know if it's because I like PIC better than SNW or if it's more I really do think Picard Season 3 will be THAT good, whereas I didn't get that sense with SNW.
EDITED TO ADD: Under normal circumstances, I'd consider this setting expectations for people too high. In this circumstance, I think you have to hype it up this much just to move the needle with certain people at all.
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But someone now will be.
Hate is easier than love.
Now, put that on a Valentine's Day Card.
I respond to those people that, using that logic, Picard has been dead since season one's Lonely Among Us. He was beamed into the nebula as energy only and had to be recreated through the transporter buffer pattern memory, if I recall correctly. There are flaws in that theory, but there are flaws in the theories that of the people that I'm responding to as well, so it evens out.
Possibly not. You can see the diversity of thought here on these very boards of who prefers which show. So they very likely are completely different fanbases reacting to different things.
I know I prefer 3/5 of the trek shows airing currently and am fairly antipathetic towards Discovery and Picard largely from a writing perspective as I think an awful lot has been squandered, certainly in what was given to them and also suffering a near rotating door of Show runners for what are basically the Flagship Pair.
Kurtzman's stated policy is to ensure shows can appeal to different groups and demographics of the fandom so if you dislike or moan about one show, you will likely find yourself praising another.
I didn't really get the "I'm not like the other girls" vibe with SNW promotional material TBH. Except insofar as they made it clear they were walking back on the idea of long-form serialized arcs, so it was more "back to basics" Trek in terms of episode structure.
Not the promotional material. More like reviews and a lot of fans.
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