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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

Christopher said:
Michael Keaton being virtually immobile in the Batsuit is completely, 100 percent authentic to the original movies. He could never move worth a damn in that thing, which is one of the key reasons I've always disliked that costume.
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I distinctly remember Keaton talking about that issue back in the day in an interview. It led to his Batman move in a certain stiff way, i.e. he wanted to look in another direction and he had to move his entire torso. Ha hated it and was also part of the reason why he didn't do more Batman movies.

Now i wonder if they'll de-age him if he appears outside of the costume, right now it looks like he's present age Keaton but unless they go with grandpa Bruce Wayne they might use the tech.

I really did the idea behind The Flash now being the swan song of the Snyderverse, anyone know how much they changed to make it the bookend movie?
 
I don't think it's the Reverse Flash as we know it. I could see it happening that we see 'our' Flash realising that his mother does need to die, and that The Flash from the universe where his mother does live will do anything to prevent her from dying and thus becoming a 'Reverse Flash'.
 
Mage said:
I don't think it's the Reverse Flash as we know it. I could see it happening that we see 'our' Flash realising that his mother does need to die, and that The Flash from the universe where his mother does live will do anything to prevent her from dying and thus becoming a 'Reverse Flash'.
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Heh, a Reverse, Reverse Flash. Instead of killing his mother, trying to save her.
 
As I've said, I really hope they don't go the "Barry ensures his own mother dies" route, which is just horrible. It's an even more misogynistic story choice than fridging, because it's not just someone else killing the male hero's female loved one to anger the hero, it's the male hero deciding his own female loved one needs to be sacrificed for the sake of everyone else. And yes, the story shows he's horribly broken up about it, but that still makes it a story about him, with his mother reduced to a disposable plot device. And it still makes it a story where the "hero" decides it's justified to kill one person for the good of others, and that's an Omelas I'd rather see the Flash run very, very swiftly away from.

I'd like to see them turn it around, do the opposite of what Mage said -- the villain is the Barry who's convinced that his mother is disposable for the "greater good," while the heroic Barry finds a better "everybody lives" solution. After all, in an infinite multiverse, it makes no sense to say that the universe where Nora Allen dies is the only one where superheroes exist and the world is saved. There must be some combination of events that allows both to be the case.
 
Also wait a second, wasn't his lightning blue in the previous movies? Why is it orange now?

There is however, a speedster wearing black with blue lightning in one shot.

In the scene of Barry filming Supergirl, they're both wearing red suits, so either this is a third speedster, or at some point one of them changes suits.
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Michael Keaton being virtually immobile in the Batsuit is completely, 100 percent authentic to the original movies. He could never move worth a damn in that thing, which is one of the key reasons I've always disliked that costume.
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Good Lord. No wonder I barely liked that movie.
 
Christopher said:
It's an even more misogynistic story choice than fridging, because it's not just someone else killing the male hero's female loved one to anger the hero, it's the male hero deciding his own female loved one needs to be sacrificed for the sake of everyone else.
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I'm not here to defend this storytelling scenario, but it occurs to me, isn't that a pretty exact description of "The City on the Edge of Forever"?
 
The Realist said:
I'm not here to defend this storytelling scenario, but it occurs to me, isn't that a pretty exact description of "The City on the Edge of Forever"?
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No trope is intrinsically bad, but it can be overused, or used gratuitously. A trope can still be problematical even if it's been the basis of some excellent stories.

In short, "City on the Edge of Forever" was 56 years ago, and the same trope was used plenty of other times before Flashpoint came along and rehashed it. There comes a point when enough is enough. Especially since they insist on redoing it over and over in every Flash adaptation -- and I haven't enjoyed any version of it that I've seen.
 
I think they keep reusing the "Barry screws up history to save his mom" story the reason they keep reusing "Dark Phoenix" for Jean Grey...

...It's one of the ONLY distinctive stories either character has ever had. Barry doesn't really have a lot of great plots to his name.
 
Christopher said:
As I've said, I really hope they don't go the "Barry ensures his own mother dies" route, which is just horrible. It's an even more misogynistic story choice than fridging, because it's not just someone else killing the male hero's female loved one to anger the hero, it's the male hero deciding his own female loved one needs to be sacrificed for the sake of everyone else. And yes, the story shows he's horribly broken up about it, but that still makes it a story about him, with his mother reduced to a disposable plot device. And it still makes it a story where the "hero" decides it's justified to kill one person for the good of others, and that's an Omelas I'd rather see the Flash run very, very swiftly away from.

I'd like to see them turn it around, do the opposite of what Mage said -- the villain is the Barry who's convinced that his mother is disposable for the "greater good," while the heroic Barry finds a better "everybody lives" solution. After all, in an infinite multiverse, it makes no sense to say that the universe where Nora Allen dies is the only one where superheroes exist and the world is saved. There must be some combination of events that allows both to be the case.
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Fair point. They did do that storyline in the show didn't they? And it's kinda disgusting like you said.
And from a universe building point they can also get away with it, unlike the show, because they are restarting/rebuilding the DC movie universe.
 
It’s a shame WB had to resort to their old trucks of adding boring Batman to things. I personally would have just liked a movie where he faces his Rogues. The TV show never did the Rogues as a group and so its uncharted territory.
This story does feel like a third movie of this was a trilogy.
 
Dee1891 said:
Unfortunately, I found myself viewing the trailer for "The Flash", which my sister found more thrilling than the "Guardians of the Galaxy 3" trailer. All I remember is that Michael Keaton looked as if he could barely move in the Bat suit. Perhaps he'll move a lot better in other scenes. Whatever.
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Must have been awful to be trapped in front of the viddy like that.
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