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Looking Back at S1

Indeed, and I actually do like the fact that the bridge officers like Detmer, Owo, Bryce and Rhys are actually just recurring co-stars instead of main cast. Other Trek shows have a habit of sticking someone in the main cast just because they're a bridge officer and then doing nothing with them. Harry Kim and Travis Mayweather are the obvious go-to examples of this. Which is why I always scratch my head over the people who say things like "we should know more about Detmer [or whoever]. If this were one of the other shows, we would have." Well, no, we wouldn't. We'd know exactly as much as we currently do. Just in the other shows, those characters would be listed in the main cast and would do promotional images with everyone else creating the impression we know them better than we in fact do.

I maintain that part of the reason why people wanted to get to know Owo, Detmer, and the rest after Season 1 was the difference between how the scripts treated them versus how the directors (and costuming treated them).

In earlier Treks, there were always extras. Sometimes they were seen on the bridge (this seemed particularly common during TNG) and they occasionally got a line or two. But they were meant to blend into the background. They were human characters with the blandest, most non-descript hair and makeup imaginable. The camera never lingered on them for more than a few seconds.

Discovery didn't do this with some of its extras. Airiam had really elaborate cybernetic prosthetics which kept everyone curious. Detmer had the scars, eyepiece, and partially shaved head. Owo just had great hair. All of this helped set them out in scenes. I think it's no surprise people wanted more of them, and didn't much care about Bryce or Rhys, who were much more "generic" in terms of their presentation.

The camera would also linger on them from time to time. Like Michael or Lorca would say something, and then they'd cut to Owo or Detmer's face and get a reaction shot. This means the direction was treating them as characters whose emotional responses mattered, rather than mere bridge furniture.
 
So, treating them as people?

I struggle with the problem. I've always treated the characters as people, not furniture, so this idea that it mandates further exploration.
 
I think it's good that they created supporting characters with colorful backgrounds and appearances, but it shouldn't become a "negative" that they aren't explored like main characters.

So, I guess it cuts both ways.
 
So, treating them as people?

I struggle with the problem. I've always treated the characters as people, not furniture, so this idea that it mandates further exploration.

My point is that if you make a part of your show seem like it's in the "foreground" rather than the "background" people are going to want to see more of it. People are trained to presume that thing like that mean something.

This is exactly why Boba Fett became this big deal in Star Wars fandom. He looked like a badass and was treated within the story as if he mattered, which meant fans demanded more of him.
 
My point is that if you make a part of your show seem like it's in the "foreground" rather than the "background" people are going to want to see more of it. People are trained to presume that thing like that mean something.

This is exactly why Boba Fett became this big deal in Star Wars fandom. He looked like a badass and was treated within the story as if he mattered, which meant fans demanded more of him.
Ok...but that doesn't mean they should be. It just means fans have expectations. As @Vger23 notes, it's not a negative.

Fett is a poor example. His popularity was twisted around a cipher not even a character.
 
Fett is a poor example. His popularity was twisted around a cipher not even a character.
Boba Fett is an interesting case. Prior to the Holiday Special (which contained his animated debut), he was heavily promoted as the next big thing, with his own action figure and everything. Then in Empire he just stands around and has like three lines.
 
-I’ve said this many times, but the story of Lorca’s involvement in the destruction of the Buran really needs to be told in canon.
I thought the Ion Storm which brought him into the PU played a role in that.
What this suggests to me is that an early draft of the first two episodes had the Klingon War being actively her fault. She was supposed to fire on the Ship of the Dead, and actually make a big mistake which set off the war. But somewhere along the way, either the showrunners who took over for Fuller or CBS got scared about a lead that flawed, and they choked.
This makes a lot of sense. Charged with mutiny for VNP'ing her captain and then getting thrown in the brig? Stripped of her rank? If anything, I'd imagine that she'd get charged with insubordination, and have a demerit added to her personnel file. How many times have the TNG crew displayed shocking behavior that barely earned a reprimand?

Now if she'd knocked the captain completely unconscious, blown up the ship of the dead, and earned the wrath of the klingons in the process, yeah sure, that'd be mutiny. Or something.

I maintain that part of the reason why people wanted to get to know Owo, Detmer, and the rest after Season 1 was the difference between how the scripts treated them versus how the directors (and costuming treated them).

In earlier Treks, there were always extras. Sometimes they were seen on the bridge (this seemed particularly common during TNG) and they occasionally got a line or two. But they were meant to blend into the background. They were human characters with the blandest, most non-descript hair and makeup imaginable. The camera never lingered on them for more than a few seconds.

Discovery didn't do this with some of its extras. Airiam had really elaborate cybernetic prosthetics which kept everyone curious. Detmer had the scars, eyepiece, and partially shaved head. Owo just had great hair. All of this helped set them out in scenes. I think it's no surprise people wanted more of them, and didn't much care about Bryce or Rhys, who were much more "generic" in terms of their presentation.

The camera would also linger on them from time to time. Like Michael or Lorca would say something, and then they'd cut to Owo or Detmer's face and get a reaction shot. This means the direction was treating them as characters whose emotional responses mattered, rather than mere bridge furniture.
For the first season and a half of Discovery, I knew nothing about Airiam. She was a background in cybernetic makeup.
If she was truly part android, why didn't they utilize her the same as Data? There was a compelling story there, and they only brought it up for one episode. And then they killed her.
(Lt. Nilsson who was brought in to replace her had maybe 3 lines over the rest of the show, and was the S1 Actress for Airiam).
Unlike Quark, Rom or Garak who had plenty of character development despite being recurring, Owo, Detmer and Nhan get maybe 2 episodes each.
 
For the first season and a half of Discovery, I knew nothing about Airiam. She was a background in cybernetic makeup.
During the first season, I don't think the writers knew anything about Airiam either. There was contradictory information circulating about whether she was an android or a cybernetically enhanced human/alien. And indeed, there was even a comic book miniseries co-written by one of the show's writers which established Mirror Airiam was an android. Then season 2 established she was a cybernetically enhanced human, and season 3 showed Mirror Airiam as a non-enhanced human.
 
During the first season, I don't think the writers knew anything about Airiam either. There was contradictory information circulating about whether she was an android or a cybernetically enhanced human/alien. And indeed, there was even a comic book miniseries co-written by one of the show's writers which established Mirror Airiam was an android. Then season 2 established she was a cybernetically enhanced human, and season 3 showed Mirror Airiam as a non-enhanced human.
Her death episode was supposed to be tragic, but it didn't hit the same as Tasha Yar. Supporting don't need to have the same amount of screen time as the main cast, but if you want the audience to care about them, make them more than just faces to react to the captain.
I think Voyager had over 300 actors as "background extras; starfleet officer" over the course of the show, Discovery did a great job with keeping a majority of the supporting cast around for 4 years
 
I didn't want them to be faux main cast, I just would've liked them to get maybe just two lines of everyday conversation in the turbolift or whatever once in a while. With minimal effort and time spent, to me that would have helped Discovery feel more like a living, breathing space rather than an empty stage for the drama between the same few main characters. I was actually distracted by how they felt almost deliberately, actively ignored. That's just me though.
 
I just finished binge-watching S2...and I think it may slightly (EVER SOOOOO SLIGHTLY) edge out S1 as my favorite outing of DSC. Watching them both in binge-form, back-to-back...it gave me a very different perspective and basis for comparison.
 
I do think the series (and indeed, the franchise) has missed a MASSIVE opportunity by not letting us know who the Prime Lorca was and how his story played out.
Agree 1000%. I was certain that Prime Lorca would be introduced at some point in Discovery after season 1, but with the jump to the 32nd century it won't happen now (on this show at least).

I'm thinking that they would have loved to bring Isaacs back (in the 2nd season perhaps), but maybe he wasn't available or something. I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to address what happened to this character. It seems like a very obvious story line to explore.
 
I just finished binge-watching S2...and I think it may slightly (EVER SOOOOO SLIGHTLY) edge out S1 as my favorite outing of DSC. Watching them both in binge-form, back-to-back...it gave me a very different perspective and basis for comparison.
I like them about the same, both have flaws that keep me from deciding on a clear favorite.

I think if Lorca hadn't had his heel turn and the Klingon war arc ends a little better (not crammed into two episodes after returning from the Mirrorverse, plus a different resolution than the bomb) and S1 would be my favorite.

Season 2 is hampered by the firing of the show runners, as it's obvious they were going in a different direction than Control and Burnham's mother being the Red Angel. Part of me wonders if I would have preferred the original direction the story was going. Hopefully, we'll eventually find out what they had planned (I suppose if we're lucky their ultimate idea was terrible and we ended up dodging a bullet, lol).
 
Agree 1000%. I was certain that Prime Lorca would be introduced at some point in Discovery after season 1, but with the jump to the 32nd century it won't happen now (on this show at least).

I'm thinking that they would have loved to bring Isaacs back (in the 2nd season perhaps), but maybe he wasn't available or something. I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to address what happened to this character. It seems like a very obvious story line to explore.

it is also quite possible that Isaacs is "done" with the franchise, after reading and listening to all the venomous criticisms that were levied at S1.
 
I'm pretty sure he said he's completely open to coming back.

He also voiced both Lorcas in Star Trek Online. But voicing a character and physically playing one is different.
 
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