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It depends on the charges stored by the NAND gates but, in general, that's true. Hard drives also get a tiny bit more massive when data is written to them. In addition, anything that gets warmer is more massive than when it is cold. Energy has an equivalent inertial mass (E = mc²).
 
Found a Geforce 6800 in my pile of cards, never used it before, it came with a Zalman aftermarket cooler, so it is rather fast, it was at that time rather high end and WTF!? That thing gets hot! So in the last 20 years not much actually has changed.. :lol:

no it's gotten worse :)

Last year sales for graphics cards hit the lowest point since 2005.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/sales-of-desktop-graphics-cards-hit-20-year-low

I'm not sure that there's going to be a turn around anytime in the near future.

use of graphics cards for crypto mining drove up demand and prices and that little bubble has burst so that was one avenue driving sales.

another was pandemic restrictions so people were stuck at home and people would have upgraded to play games while stuck indoors but those restrictions have lifted.

Because people have upgraded in the past couple of years and paid a pretty penny to do so, they won't be keen to jump to a new card anytime soon.

Not sure how much of driver e-sports were for graphics card sales, but the gloss is coming off there and the down turn is noticable.

Finally you have combination of prices for the cards combined with the cost for electricity in Europe - people just can't accord to build and run systems pulling over 1kw of power that's not adding much to the their gaming experience.
 
In absolute figures of course, but none of the machines I ever built in those days I had a card using that much juice and being that hot, so in that sense it still fits, in the past I used Geforce 2MX or 4MX 400 etc which used a lot less juice and had passive heatsinks, in 2009 my Phenom II machine had a very cool running Radeon HD 5770 and later the 5870 which was the higher end bit and that one did use more power and was hotter, then I got a FX8350 which had a high end card for a while, a GTX 780, my current setup is probably a very mid end machine, mid end TUFF mainboard with a mid end R5 2600X CPU, mid range speed memory and a RTX 6600 which runs very cool and quiet.

eSports can usually run on an APU or low end-ish cards like the RTX 6500/6400, GTX 1650/2060 etc, some can even run on the internal gfx card of most Intel CPU's, also those run on older hardware so I assume they never had that much influence concerning gfx card sales.

Yeah, people aren't too wild about getting a 4090 or anything else that guzzles that much juice..
 
It depends on the charges stored by the NAND gates but, in general, that's true. Hard drives also get a tiny bit more massive when data is written to them. In addition, anything that gets warmer is more massive than when it is cold. Energy has an equivalent inertial mass (E = mc²).

I know. I've been reading about this and it's quite fascinating.
 
no it's gotten worse :)

Last year sales for graphics cards hit the lowest point since 2005.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/sales-of-desktop-graphics-cards-hit-20-year-low

I'm not sure that there's going to be a turn around anytime in the near future.

use of graphics cards for crypto mining drove up demand and prices and that little bubble has burst so that was one avenue driving sales.

another was pandemic restrictions so people were stuck at home and people would have upgraded to play games while stuck indoors but those restrictions have lifted.

Because people have upgraded in the past couple of years and paid a pretty penny to do so, they won't be keen to jump to a new card anytime soon.

Not sure how much of driver e-sports were for graphics card sales, but the gloss is coming off there and the down turn is noticable.

Finally you have combination of prices for the cards combined with the cost for electricity in Europe - people just can't accord to build and run systems pulling over 1kw of power that's not adding much to the their gaming experience.
Yep. I'm running an AMD RX 580 8 GB card, got it for a hell of a deal about 3 years ago, and it's running fine, though I've had to do some maintenance on the fans. There's no way in hell I can afford graphics cards at their current price. Crypto mining fucked everyone over, and I'm hoping the prices continue to drop, because it's absurd what some of these cards cost, even for just a standard desktop graphics card.
 
It's that I got my hands on the RTX 6600 for a good price otherwise I would still be using the 1060 3GB card that I have put safely back in its box for safekeeping..
My current machine is 4 years old now, I will build a new one in two years, and I will again be aiming for mid range for everything.
AMD seems to be a tad less ludicrous with their pricing, I hope mid and low mid range will stay affordable.
 
It's that I got my hands on the RTX 6600 for a good price otherwise I would still be using the 1060 3GB card that I have put safely back in its box for safekeeping..
My current machine is 4 years old now, I will build a new one in two years, and I will again be aiming for mid range for everything.
AMD seems to be a tad less ludicrous with their pricing, I hope mid and low mid range will stay affordable.
True, and when I do get a new card, somewhere well down the line, it will be AMD, too.

I've been an AMD fan for a long time. Nvidia's fine, but I much prefer AMD, especially since I run a Linux distro and AMD just works out of the box, though Nvidia's finally starting to catch up a little.

Still, AMD GPU, AMD CPU, I have an AMD shirt around here somewhere, though it's very old, faded, and probably doesn't fit anymore. Fell in love with AMD back in the K6-2 days.
 
In the socket 7 days I often used Cyrix CPUs :D Cheap, really fast but yeah, they were a bit fiddly, had to find the right mainboard for them, pity National Semiconductor killed off Cyrix, still have a 6x86 MX 200 running which is very close in speed to my Pentium 233 MMX.
After socket 7 I ran mainly AMD'S started with a Duron 700, then a Athlon XP 2200+ after that a Vienna core Athlon64 3200+, then dual cores 4450e which was the energy efficient version of the 4400, then a Phenom II 905e, 955BE, FX 8350 and now a Ryzen 2600X. :mallory:
 
In the socket 7 days I often used Cyrix CPUs :D Cheap, really fast but yeah, they were a bit fiddly, had to find the right mainboard for them, pity National Semiconductor killed off Cyrix, still have a 6x86 MX 200 running which is very close in speed to my Pentium 233 MMX.
After socket 7 I ran mainly AMD'S started with a Duron 700, then a Athlon XP 2200+ after that a Vienna core Athlon64 3200+, then dual cores 4450e which was the energy efficient version of the 4400, then a Phenom II 905e, 955BE, FX 8350 and now a Ryzen 2600X. :mallory:
Good choices! :D

I fell in love with AMD K6-2s when an old boss let me buy a Compaq tower from him at the time (back in 2001) for $50. All I had to add was a power supply, and I had a fully functioning computer with an AMD K6-2 350Mhz processor, 64MB RAM, and a 6 GB "Bigfoot" HDD. I installed Windows 98 on it, and I was good to go. That little system was a beast.
 
AMD seems to be a tad less ludicrous with their pricing, I hope mid and low mid range will stay affordable.

They've just announced new processor versions coming out in the next couple of weeks but that's in the Ryzen 7 and 9 series and they're slight niche processors so probably won't have much of impact on prices lower down.
 
I still have a pile of soundcards, many of them Soundblaster, got the 16VE and several other versions of the 16, one AWE 32 which was quite expensive at that time, SB 64's in various editions, the Ensonic powered SB 64/128 PCI cards, SB Live, one SB 512 which is a cheaper version of the Live, Audigy 1 and Audigy 2 cards.
Also a few Crystal Sound soundcards, one ADI card and the Compaq Deskpro 2000 has a Miro MiroSound PCM1 Pro which uses a Yamaha OPL4.

@Marc
AMD will/has launched 3D cache versions of the "X" chips and also will launch a 65Watt line which are all cheaper and do not have an "X" also there are pretty powerful APU's on the way which I am quite interested in..

@Amaris
Bigfoot? Ye gads, those were the slowest drives you could buy at the time, 3600RPM or 4000RPM in the last version, they had platters 5.25" in diameter so the seek time for those was measured in weeks and because of the large diameter latency also was quite bad, data transfer rates were okay though.
 
It depends on the charges stored by the NAND gates but, in general, that's true. Hard drives also get a tiny bit more massive when data is written to them. In addition, anything that gets warmer is more massive than when it is cold. Energy has an equivalent inertial mass (E = mc²).

I have also heard it said that springs are a bit heavier when wound....and that the universe's energy budget is close to zero...maybe Tegmark was right---it's all math...
 
@Amaris
Bigfoot? Ye gads, those were the slowest drives you could buy at the time, 3600RPM or 4000RPM in the last version, they had platters 5.25" in diameter so the seek time for those was measured in weeks and because of the large diameter latency also was quite bad, data transfer rates were okay though.

Oh, absolutely. It was slower than a donkey cart going uphill in a rainstorm. :lol:
Still, I was so excited that I had a moderately up-to-date complete computer again, and all for a cool $50.
 
I have also heard it said that springs are a bit heavier when wound....and that the universe's energy budget is close to zero...maybe Tegmark was right---it's all math...
Yep, all forms of energy have equivalent mass - for potential energy in your example. The Wheeler-DeWitt equation suggests that the equation for the universe is a quantity (specifically the Hamiltonian constraint on the wave functional that describes the information content of the Universe's geometry and matter) that equals zero. It also implies that time is an emergent phenomenon.
 
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The disallowing of the destruction of information always struck me as odd.
Now I could always see how information might be retrieved from a black hole.

Dump three small, three large, and three small asteroids into a black hole—and you get an “S.O.S.” splash out from around the collapsar as Hawking radiation. Do the same with drops in liquid—I would think the SOS is lost forever…no biggie.

But in terms of privileged information…

Back to computing for a moment….now, if I somehow maxed out a computer with 1’s instead of zeroes…just gibberish mind you…would that be heaviest? Or would normal, useful traffic—true information…actually be heavier?

You would think—mechanistically speaking—the maxed out all 9’s or whatever is heaviest…
 
The concept of information is more complicated than you think and it would take a few hundred pages to explain. You see there are these concepts called entropy and unitarity. Some theorists such as Roger Penrose still think that information is destroyed in a black hole.

A start would be to watch the following Wondrium courses:
Examples of Physics - Impossible: Physics Beyond the Edge | Wondrium
What Are Black Holes - Understanding Gravity, Tides, and Spacetime | Wondrium
Quantum Physics Course - How the Quantum World Works | Wondrium
The Science of Information: From Language to Black Holes | Wondrium

I believe Wondrium offers one-week free trials.

There are also free courses on YouTube by theorists such as Leonard Susskind:
Leonard Susskind - All Stanford physics lectures in order - YouTube
 
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