Or Hugh Jackman, who had firmly said he was done.
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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Reading the tea leaves I don't doubt we will be seeing a good luck with your future endeavors and love to work with you in the future with Gal Gadot that's not official as of yet I don't think.
That's reaching. Actors do not like being toyed with / screwed over, which is what happened to Cavill. This is entirely different than a Maguire situation, as he was not booted from his own series and nor did he have a personal investment in a new series featuring another actor in the role he left behind over a decade earlier. Cavill originally returned under a supportive environment, but the news makes it clear that was not the case with Gunn. The rest is history.
If Gunn begged Cavill to return, the move would make him appear weak, as if his desire to create a new universe--actors included--was not such a great plan after all.
Spider-Man 4 was much farther along than anything done regarding MoS 2.
Tobey was booted harder than Cavill.
Snyder's films were only going to do worse, critically and commercially. The Snydercut was, in my opinion, much worse then the theatrical cut, and apparently didn't bring in nearly enough subscribers to justify its existence to HBO Max anyway. No version of it was going to do better then the theatrical cut we ended up getting at the box office. Snyder fans are a minority, they're loud and obnoxious but don't really move the needle. MOS and BvS made some money (much less then they should of based on the premise, at least with BvS), but the general opinion of the DCEU was already in the toilet.
Aquaman got un-Snyderfied and made a billion dollars, it definitely wouldn't have done that if Snyder had been able to influence it. DC made some mistakes post Snyder, but getting rid of him was the only reason they've had any of their successes of the last few years.
News is moving fast here. Cavill is not in the Flash because it's a cameo. Gadot is in the Flash because it's a bit more than a cameo and seems important to the overall story.
Ray Fisher and James Gunn already patched things up. Gunn had retweeted something that was in support of Whedon a while back and he also later apologized for it. What seemed to get to Fisher was that Gunn later deleted the tweet (not true according to Gunn, his tweets delete automatically after a certain time).
The rumor that Gunn won't recast the Suicide Squad is untrue according to Gunn himself.
In other news the Rock threatened to give the people's elbow to Gunn. This is from a parody news site which people have taken as real news.
Ray Fisher and James Gunn already patched things up. Gunn had retweeted something that was in support of Whedon a while back and he also later apologized for it. What seemed to get to Fisher was that Gunn later deleted the tweet (not true according to Gunn, his tweets delete automatically after a certain time).
The rumor that Gunn won't recast the Suicide Squad is untrue according to Gunn himself.
In other news the Rock threatened to give the people's elbow to Gunn. This is from a parody news site which people have taken as real news.
Where did you see that Fisher patched things up?
It's all over social media. This all happened like 2 or 3 days ago.
He may be done as far as "serious" movies ( ones that don't break the fourth wall ) are concerned.
Yeah--it seems like he is really doing this for Reynolds, and I'm guessing it is going to be a lot of fun for the two of them.
Dwayne Johnson said his Black Adam character won’t be part of the first phase of DC’s new plans
https://deadline.com/2022/12/dwayne-johnson-black-sequel-dc-james-gunn-1235203405/
https://deadline.com/2022/12/dwayne-johnson-black-sequel-dc-james-gunn-1235203405/
Cavill already had a major second appearance in BvS, then JL. The bottom dropped out, and years later, he was convinced to return, only to be kicked out by Gunn. that's being dicked around. In the Raimi series case, both Raimi and Maguire did not like Venom forced into the film (like the audience), which left the direction of a planned 4th film on shaky ground, but he--Magure--was not in a position of being encouraged to return to what he thought was a closed matter, then tossed back into the lake like an unwanted fish on a hook--which is what Gunn did to Cavill.
Cavill has no reason to return to that environment.
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From the piece:
...the most valuable ways Black Adam can be utilized in future DC multiverse chapters,” Johnson wrote today.
Reads like Black Adam will--most likely--not be a part of this alleged new, young Superman universe, but used in some other project. Since the one which he was introduced to is ending, I take it he'll appear in yet another, currently undeveloped universe.
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And not Andrew Garfield? The more I hear about what happened between WB, Gunn and Cavill; the more I am inclined not to watch Gunn's new DC universe. What am I saying? I know I won't be watching.
Meanwhile Zachary Levi has - seemingly - denied that he’s out as Shazam. I suppose one benefit of Cavill not doing the cameo at the end of the first movie is that Shazam isn’t all that tied to the DCEU/Snyderverse https://twitter.com/zacharylevi/status/1605291030353530890?s=46&t=QSYDsyuZv-b6ACc0h1lYZQ
Hmmm, I'll admit that this title really did have me for a second.
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/chandler-riggs-playing-superman.html
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/chandler-riggs-playing-superman.html
Just because they screwed Cavill? The entertainment business is very fickle and knows few loyalties, if any. This is especially evident when a studio changes hands and management, the new guys often take the axe to upcoming projects and existing promises and unfortunately Cavill is collateral damage.
It sucks for him, he sure seemed like he was happy to return to the role but then again he already had other things lined up, chief amongst them the upcoming Warhammer project for which he is a massive fanboy. I think actors understand that nothing is set in stone until written down in the contract and signed and i believe Cavill is professional enough to understand it, work through his disappointment and continue with other projects. No hard feelings and if the storyline develops he might still be called back, at least that's how a professional deals with such situations.
I don't understand this kind of loyalty or outrage over studio politics - if you are consistent you might soon be left only with small arthouse studios because every major entertainment company is screwing over partners.
Maybe give a bit of context before linking to a very clickbaity article. The headline says Chandler Riggs would officially play Superman, in the current situation obviously suggesting it would be in the new movie Gunn is currently writing. He will actually only voice Superman in an upcoming direct-to-video animated film.
And, Good Lord, those trending articles. "See Margot Robbie Pose Like A Statue In A Tiny Swimsuit", "See Jennifer Connelly Flaunt A Leopard Bikini", another about Jennifer Lawrence in lingerie and yet another about Jenna Ortega in a transparent dress. What kind of news site is this?
Ahh, but the defensive postures are already in place, pretty much painting a picture of Cavill just turning on a heel and crossing the street as if it meant little to him, when his own public statements revealed the polar opposite feeling, which does not erase the general awareness that actors do not like to be screwed over. Their time and interests are valuable, and in Cavill's case, the work put in to bringing him back to Superman was not achieved over a random weekend (more like more than a year). This was a carefully discussed / worked series of meetings until WB (Zaslav) and Cavill came to an agreement.
That Gunn shuffled in and tossed Cavill's agreement in the trash can, is the very reason there's been so much deserved and unceasing criticism pointed at Gunn, while Cavill has received one sympathetic notice after another (e.g., the Shatner tweet copied in this thread).
Some seem to be so glued to the output of studios (where fantasy franchises are concerned), that they--inexplicably--cannot understand that the individual has no obligation to continue supporting a studio / franchise, etc., if its no longer appealing to their taste or other sensibilities. It is this same group who could not "get" why countless Star Wars fans started to hit the brakes on the sequel series after the cheap ANH remake that was TFA, or flat-out dropped it after suffering through TLJ. Its undeniable that the MCU's movie and streaming output in recent years has driven innumerable former supporters away (expect insulting, or not very insightful explanations behind the exodus), likely never to return, but that's to be expected, as no fan is going to mainline a franchise--no questions asked / no creative concerns answered--until it all comes to a natural or forced end.
So, if you will not watch (read: pay for) Gunn's DC films, who can find fault with your choice?