Gotta appreciate that they guy has a good sense of humour. I'm sure it wasn't easy for him to see what he thought would be a great vehicle for stardom crash so hard.
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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Gotta appreciate that they guy has a good sense of humour. I'm sure it wasn't easy for him to see what he thought would be a great vehicle for stardom crash so hard.
The remaining DCEU films are like a Rorschach test, where different people are imagining very different things for what kind of films they think they're going to be (or wish them to be). Some people seem to be picturing some kind of Empire Strikes Back/Infinity War deal where it's literally just one chapter of some larger story, while people, well, aren't.
I can understand where the former impression would come from, since the connections tend to be what news and hype focuses on. ("So-and-so will be guest-starring in the movie!") But let's remember how UNimportant this stuff tends to actually be in the final product. Remember all the hype about the Illuminati going into DS2, only for them to be little more than canon fodder in the movie? This kind of stuff always loom larger ahead of us than behind us.
I'm going to make the not-at-all-bold-if-you-ask-me prediction that the likes of Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2 will be mostly self-contained stories.
I can understand where the former impression would come from, since the connections tend to be what news and hype focuses on. ("So-and-so will be guest-starring in the movie!") But let's remember how UNimportant this stuff tends to actually be in the final product. Remember all the hype about the Illuminati going into DS2, only for them to be little more than canon fodder in the movie? This kind of stuff always loom larger ahead of us than behind us.
I'm going to make the not-at-all-bold-if-you-ask-me prediction that the likes of Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2 will be mostly self-contained stories.
Reynold's could have been a great Hal Jordan if he had been in a good movie. I think Reynold's realizes that the criticism about Green Lantern was never about him.
I find it odd that anyone would expect that, given that the past six films -- more than half the series so far -- have all been standalones with hardly any direct references to one another, aside from The Suicide Squad loosely carrying forward Harley Quinn's character arc from Birds of Prey. (Unless there are some references in Black Adam, which I haven't seen yet). So I can't understand why anyone who's been paying attention would expect that to suddenly change. Okay, yeah, The Flash looks like it was meant to set up continuity, but I see no reason to expect the Shazam and Aquaman sequels to be any more interconnected than their predecessors were, or for Blue Beetle to be any different from the standalone norm.
The rumors surrounding Affleck's appearance in the film has him tied to the events of the Flash movie (wherever the story falls in the timeline of both films), and that plot is big enough that any ties to in Aquaman 2 will not have it be as self-contained as one might imagine.
Well, with Berlanti and Guggenheim counted among the creators of the original story and screenplay, the film never stood a chance. Regarding Reynolds, I did find him too goofy--acting more like a high school kid suddenly gaining powers than the kind of cooler, confident test-pilot Hal Jordan was in the early Silver Age comics.
Understandable given how much stuff is out there. People give up on TV shows all the time. With franchises like Marvel having continuity that depends on people having to see everything to fully grasp the story it's only natural that people would treat it as a commitment like that of a TV series.
I guess 50/50 odds on Flash and Aquaman 2 never seeing the light of day and Gunn's Superman reboot never getting off the ground.
Oh, and about 17 utterly meaningless DC film announcements between now and then in doomed attempts to entice investors.
Oh, and about 17 utterly meaningless DC film announcements between now and then in doomed attempts to entice investors.
Not a day goes by without some other rumors/news popping up:
https://www.cbr.com/warner-bros-ins...7mfyW_7r5r4PaQM9M3AHnxHSJ8#Echobox=1671484781
I attribute that to how he was directed. The same lines, delivered in a similar manner, could easily have come across as a macho jet pilot if edited differently.
https://www.cbr.com/warner-bros-ins...7mfyW_7r5r4PaQM9M3AHnxHSJ8#Echobox=1671484781
I attribute that to how he was directed. The same lines, delivered in a similar manner, could easily have come across as a macho jet pilot if edited differently.
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Key points from the piece:
Facing countless questions from fans and industry insiders since taking over DC Studios, James Gunn now has doubters within Warner Bros. about his management capabilities following a raft of reported changes made under his watch.
A report in the New York Post cites one Warner Bros. insider as suggesting Gunn doesn't have what it takes to lead DC's rebuild. According to the source, Gunn lacks experience and doesn't compare to Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige because of it. "Gunn has never run anything," the insider said. "I wonder if big filmmakers will work for another director with zero experience guiding movies through a huge grinder of a system. He's not Kevin Feige [of Marvel]."
Time--and more decisions will tell if the alleged insider's concerns are valid, but Gunn has not started off in a good position.
I don't know about that, since the lines made Jordan come off like a goofy freshman, never taking the responsibility of that kind of power seriously, and there was no real arc for the character to accepted said responsibility.[/quote]
I'm going to be watching "Man of Steel", "Batman v. Superman", "Suicide Squad", "Wonder Woman", "Aquaman", "Birds of Prey", "Shazaam!" and "Zach Snyder's Justice League" for years to come . . . as long as I find them entertaining. As for Gunn's new shared universe . . . I couldn't care less.
The other part rumored is that Joker director Todd Phillips was considered for the DC Studios position before Warner Bros. Discovery went with James Gunn.
I'd wager that even if ties into Flash, it'll be in a way where the film itself works as its own story, the way most of the Marvel movies and indeed, as Christopher pointed out, the prior DC movies have done.
I don't have any particular reason to doubt the New York Post's source's legitimacy, but I would still take this story with a grain of salt.
Given the heavily politicized tug of war going on inside WB, it's practically guaranteed you could find someone on the inside willing to badmouth Gunn. And also if you read the original New York Post article it's one of the most blatantly biased and borderline abusive pieces of entertainment 'journalism' I've seen. You could literally sum it up with 'DCEU sucks!!!1! Marvel rules!!1!!1!' and that would be only very mildly exaggerated. I honestly wonder if the writer deliberately went looking for the most negative source they could possibly find just to add a bit of substance to their otherwise ridiculous rant, which woud beg the question how representative that source really is.
Given the heavily politicized tug of war going on inside WB, it's practically guaranteed you could find someone on the inside willing to badmouth Gunn. And also if you read the original New York Post article it's one of the most blatantly biased and borderline abusive pieces of entertainment 'journalism' I've seen. You could literally sum it up with 'DCEU sucks!!!1! Marvel rules!!1!!1!' and that would be only very mildly exaggerated. I honestly wonder if the writer deliberately went looking for the most negative source they could possibly find just to add a bit of substance to their otherwise ridiculous rant, which woud beg the question how representative that source really is.
The Post is owned by Murdoch and is known to be less than unbiased shall we say. Not saying it's wrong in this case but one should be cautious.
That said, the instant and continuing negative reaction to Gunn's booting of Cavill (and possibly Gadot) was/is an organic event with no influence from the Post and/or Murdoch.
No, that's just the very loud Snyderverse/DCEU fan community that isn't large enough to keep the DCEU outings profitable.
I Probably do miss a bunch. I don't like to read (Slow Reader because of Dyslexia). If someone post is more than a sentence or two I skip over them.
https://www.ign.com/articles/james-gunn-responds-to-dcu-plan-backlash-period-of-turbulence
Thing i took from that article:
There is not enough salt in the universe for this one. Either they really have a plan to continue with the established cast, just in a new continuity, or they don't know at this point what to do with the Snyder continuity and how to switch over.
Thing i took from that article:
There is not enough salt in the universe for this one. Either they really have a plan to continue with the established cast, just in a new continuity, or they don't know at this point what to do with the Snyder continuity and how to switch over.