DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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So if they are rebooting the movies then why release all the remaining movies in the theater? What's the point? Their Box Office will probably be dismal. Just dump them on HBO Max.
Not excited by that news. I would have been excited years ago. But not anymore.
Pretty nice little article here at Entertainment Weekly:
A fond, frustrated farewell to Henry Cavill's Superman
A fond, frustrated farewell to Henry Cavill's Superman
No, it was not failing. This was not the CW/Arrowverse shows. If it was "failing", no studio would have invested more millions into Zack Snyder's Justice League--a concept once considered "finished" with the bastardized Whedon version--because there would be no interest or gain in the investment. That film happened due to widespread interest and support, as much as that pains the "DCEU should beeee likes Marvels, and I hate edgelord Snyder" bunch.
The point is that Moore grew older, yet he was coaxed back time after time, until he decided enough was enough, but Cavill is nowhere near the age Moore was when the latter was oriignally cast as Bond for 1973's Live and Let Die, and is--obviously--in superior shape, so the issue is not one of age, but Gunn wanting to create his own universe (which was the plan when Cavill was brought back), and as a result, kicking Cavill to the curb, which was and will always be a dick-headed move that is earning the criticism it is receiving.
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True, and considering Gunn's superhero credentials are the Guardians movies (...yeah...), DC fans should fear what that means for the franchise. We were already subjected to Whedon's empty-skulled, "Marvel-izing" of a DC production, and it failed, so the existing evidence suggests any other attempt to "Marvel-ize" DC content might suffer the same fate.
Oh, but we are told--by a gaggle of MCU fans--that series and continuity do not matter, so the four remaining films should be seen as standalone films. Just close your eyes when the MoS continuity or characters are referenced at all.
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It's seems odd to me that the DCEU's biggest fans don't seem to feel it's worth watching without a new installment waiting in the wings. Are you guys never going to watch Man of Steel and the other movies again because "what's the point?".
Or desperation for new content on a new streaming service during a pandemic that crippled the movie industry.
So long as you're being objective and all...
I also watched Black Adam (finally!) yesterday. Even though people said not to bother because the movie means nothing due to that universe ending.
It wasn't bad. The JSA was awesome, movie would have probably been better if it was about them and Black Adam wasn't part of it, honestly. His constant vapourizing of powerless humans got kind of boring pretty quickly.
Would you watch any film deliberately designed to have a continuing storyline if the rest of the series was abruptly cancelled?
That's not a comment on the quality of the single film, but recognition that the filmmakers were--most certainly--wanting a single film to be enjoyed, but also wanted audiences to continue the journey.
We literally watched "Chronicles of Narnia" again yesterday.
Wow, people just give up on things they enjoy at the drop of a hat, don't they anymore. So many excuses.
Batgirl is canceled in an unprecedented way. "Oh, it's business, this happens all the time."
The 11th Superman actor will be getting replaced. "What?? How DARE they!! This studio is now going to tank!"
What's the point of going to work at your current job if you know you're going to get a new job next year? What's the point of feeding your goldfish now if you know it's going to be dead in a few months? Just because you have plans for the future, that doesn't mean the present ceases to exist. These are the movies they're making now, and they've spent hundreds of millions of dollars on them because they intend to release them. The reboot is for the long term. Moviemaking is slow, so things are always planned years ahead.
Anyway, I guess you haven't been listening to all the people in this thread saying that the point of watching a movie is the movie itself, not whatever future movies it might or might not set up. It doesn't matter if there's a whole series of connected movies if the movies aren't worthwhile individually. And if each individual one is worthwhile, it doesn't matter if there are more.
Probably the best-regarded DCEU movie was Wonder Woman, and it worked superbly as a standalone film, a film that was good because of itself, not because it set up something later. Its value didn't depend on whether it got sequels, which is good, because the sequel it finally got was pretty bad. It would still have been a terrific film even if it had been the only one.
Of course I would. Half a loaf is better than none. Hell, I grew up in an era when the overwhelming majority of sci-fi series on TV got cancelled in one season or less. From my perspective, it's incredibly spoiled and self-defeating to demand that continuation be absolutely guaranteed before you deign to try something. You never know what the future holds. Any of us could be run over by a truck tomorrow morning. You have to enjoy what you have now. If it ends up not continuing the way it was intended to, then at least you got to enjoy the part you had.
If it's as connected to that storyline as the first Shazam and Aquaman movie were, for sure, I would certainly watch. I really doubt those movies are going to end on some big cliffhanger that leaves their main plots dangling. Even then, depending on the movie I might still get enjoyment from it but with what I expect from these particular ones, certainly.
Or Dr. Fate, the only character that had any weight. Probably because there's a good actor in the role. But yeah....the movie would have worked better had it been JSA with Black Adam as the antagonist rather than "Black Adam with JSA as sidekicks".
I think the key words in your statement are 'deliberately designed'. That's the crux of the matter. We're hearing now how they are deleting scenes that connect these upcoming movies to the now defunct larger DC Universe. It begs the question of what type of movie is left. How much were these scenes integral to the movie at hand, if they were at all? Probably minimal.
Hopefully the movies can stand on their own.
I don't think a movie has to connect to others to be a good one or be able to stand on its own. The issue is that we know the intent was to do that and now that will be removed. Do I care about The Blue Beetle? Yes, because I loosely know the character through animated series. Will general public care? Probably not. Would linking it to the overall DC Universe help it? Absolutely. But now that it's been disconnected from whatever links to other events/characters then it means The Blue Beetle stand on his own. As mentioned elsewhere, DC hasn't built that trust in their brand like Marvel has.
Yes. Again, if the MCU were cancelled tomorrow, I would still go see Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, The Marvels, and whatever else they put out. For that matter, I am going to go see Aquaman 2 and Shazam Fury of the Gods (in the theater) even though that film universe is over. Why? Because I enjoyed the first ones and feel these will probably be entertaining follow ups.
Not exactly an honest assessment. The Cavill situation was not casting a new actor in a new production after the former performer no longer had an association with the films (e.g., Keaton as a new Batman in an entirely new Batman movie with no association with the Dozier TV series, the then-most recent Bat-production). Cavill was announced as having returned to the DC films in the same role for more film appearances in the future--then he was cut. As i've pointed out before, the negative reactions to Cavill's dismissal is not a surprise at all, and warranted.
I'm guessing the Shazam and Aquaman sequels--certainly building on their respective first films--were intended to have a stronger connection to the MoS-series continuity, especially Aquaman in the wake of his JL appearance with other heroes (and the appearance of Affleck's Batman--who is also in the Flash movie). Again, its not a comment on the quality of a single film, but how its written to tie in to a larger narrative.
In other DC character news, some have wondered if the Reynolds Green Lantern would ever get a second chance in a film. Thankfully, he will not. Gunn mentioned the Reynolds' version recently:
Ryan Reynolds’ Green Lantern Is Of No Priority For James Gunn & Was Never Going To Return For Zack Snyder, Confirms Studio Head
I knew Reynolds' GL was not going to appear in Snyder's DC films, but at least a positive bit of news is that the Reynolds version is over and done.