I agree! She was setting herself up.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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If you mean Gene L. Coon's vision? I agree.
Not remotely controversial: making Lorca not a troubled, grey area tightrope-walking Prime Universe officer but a Mirror Universe visitor was such a deep letdown. We had a chance to get a Ron Tracey-type as a lead of a Trek show and see how he threads the needle of being both a cynic and opportunist as well as a successful Starfleet Captain. But nope. Gotta find a way to wedge the Mirror Universe into yet another Trek series.
I kept hoping Prime Universe (PU? No, that can't be right) Lorca would be found alive somewhere so we could get another season or more of Isaacs (even if he was captain of another ship or boosted in rank to admiral in a recurring role so as not to interrupt Burnham's restoration to the command path), but alas, it seems that ship has sailed.
I almost agree but the Kronos bomb takes blackest mark on that season. I like season one a lot,including the MU elements, but not that resolution.
Interesting thread. Here are mine.
1. Chuckles and Seven is a good pairing.
2. Janeway was 100% correct in 'Tuvix'.
3. Star Trek Enterprise was AWESOME from start to finish and should have been the first 10-year series.
4. T'Pol is my favorite Star Trek character.
5. 'Carbon Creek' is my favorite Star Trek episode.
6. Burnham's long braids shouldn't be allowed in SF regulations.
7. They completely butchered the character Kira Nerys when she made the decision to kill her mother because she was with Dukat.
8. Except for the last 12 minutes (or so) of STiD, all the "Kelvin timeline" movies are awesome.
9. Chris Pine is an OUTSTANDING Captain James T. Kirk
10. The "Kelvin Timeline" is a cop-out by Orci because he was afraid to anger Star Trek fans. Star Trek has always had one and only one timeline.
That should be a good start.
1. Hard disagree. No chemistry and it was just flung in there at the end.
2. Neither option was good, but I definitely agree with her decision.
3. Season 1 had flaws, but it was not as bad as many say. Season 2 had a lot of middling episodes, but had several outstanding ones. Season 3 was really good, and season 4 was excellent. ENT definitely deserved at least a 7 year run.
4. T'Pol is a pretty good character.
5. "CARBON CREEK" is pretty good.
6. Starfleet regulations may have changed by that time. It doesn't bother me.
7. That decision was keeping very much in character and how she always felt about collaborators.
8. Only BEYOND is a good movie of the Kelvin films.
9. No. Only William Shatner is an outstanding Captain James T. Kirk. (So far.)
10. There are a LOT of universes and timelines. Remember TNG's "Parallels"? Having said that, I agree it was a reason to try to not anger hardcore fandom.
Interesting thread. Here are mine.
1. Chuckles and Seven is a good pairing.
2. Janeway was 100% correct in 'Tuvix'.
3. Star Trek Enterprise was AWESOME from start to finish and should have been the first 10-year series.
4. T'Pol is my favorite Star Trek character.
5. 'Carbon Creek' is my favorite Star Trek episode.
6. Burnham's long braids shouldn't be allowed in SF regulations.
7. They completely butchered the character Kira Nerys when she made the decision to kill her mother because she was with Dukat.
8. Except for the last 12 minutes (or so) of STiD, all the "Kelvin timeline" movies are awesome.
9. Chris Pine is an OUTSTANDING Captain James T. Kirk
10. The "Kelvin Timeline" is a cop-out by Orci because he was afraid to anger Star Trek fans. Star Trek has always had one and only one timeline.
That should be a good start.
I'd back all but 10 - wasn't the reason for Kelvin due to legal issues around the use of certain IP?
You should certainly expand on that, as I’m given to understand Black women really appreciate discussion and critique of their hair styles…
If Star Trek is considered the military then you could argue it from that side I guess but that also goes for any crew member with long hair that it's appropriately tied up.
You'd also add Riker's beard though if going down the military route
I'm going make a huge, gigantic guess and say that grooming regulations will change over the centuries just like they already have over the centuries.
But...
However, Gene Roddenberry insisted that Starfleet wasn't the military. Whether or not that's actually true, we can probably debate forever. I think it's a military trying hard not to look like it is. In fact, in my head-canon, I think Starfleet switched from the TWOK Uniforms to the TNG Uniforms because they wanted to change their image.
EDITED TO ADD: The thing I'm still trying to figure out is why Starfleet decided (in-universe) to change from the TOS-TMP Uniforms to something like the TWOK Uniforms. I keep circling around back to tensions with the Klingons. The Organian Peace Treaty must have gone out the window (paralleling the breakdown of Detente between the USA and USSR in 1979), some type of conflict must have happened (paralleling the flare up of the Cold War again IRL), and that's why the Federation and Klingons were trying to negotiate another Peace Treaty in TSFS/TVH before it all went up in smoke. Then, later on, tensions flared up with the Romulans again (leading up to the Tomed Incident), and then the Cardassians after that. By which point, the TWOK Uniforms were around for so long that no one changed them until circumstances made Starfleet think it would be a good idea to.
But...
Crusher, Troi, and pre-ponytail Worf too, if you really want to do that one.
However, Gene Roddenberry insisted that Starfleet wasn't the military. Whether or not that's actually true, we can probably debate forever. I think it's a military trying hard not to look like it is. In fact, in my head-canon, I think Starfleet switched from the TWOK Uniforms to the TNG Uniforms because they wanted to change their image.
EDITED TO ADD: The thing I'm still trying to figure out is why Starfleet decided (in-universe) to change from the TOS-TMP Uniforms to something like the TWOK Uniforms. I keep circling around back to tensions with the Klingons. The Organian Peace Treaty must have gone out the window (paralleling the breakdown of Detente between the USA and USSR in 1979), some type of conflict must have happened (paralleling the flare up of the Cold War again IRL), and that's why the Federation and Klingons were trying to negotiate another Peace Treaty in TSFS/TVH before it all went up in smoke. Then, later on, tensions flared up with the Romulans again (leading up to the Tomed Incident), and then the Cardassians after that. By which point, the TWOK Uniforms were around for so long that no one changed them until circumstances made Starfleet think it would be a good idea to.
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They were the 3 examples of long hair that came to mind for me
Crusher as well has definitely performed surgery with her hair down which, again, wouldn't fly
I think that in general, Starfleet allows people to observe cultural norms. Worf's long hair, for instance. Also, in the AU's where Neelix joins Starfleet, he is allowed to retain his Talaxian "look". And it never made sense to me that Ro was ever prohibited from wearing her earring (or that Starfleet didn't know about Bajoran names since some human cultures work the same way). Starfleet is all about respecting diversity, after all.
EDIT: QUOTE - "Crusher as well has definitely performed surgery with her hair down which, again, wouldn't fly"
Agreed. That's the purpose for those red coveralls they wore in episodes like "Samaritan Snare".
EDIT: QUOTE - "Crusher as well has definitely performed surgery with her hair down which, again, wouldn't fly"
Agreed. That's the purpose for those red coveralls they wore in episodes like "Samaritan Snare".
Hint: It's still regulation, Admiral.
I gather that the ban on beards in the U.S. Navy started three years before Riker grew his. So give it time.
Here's one:
The TMP uniforms are more "militaristic" than the TWOK ones. Yes, there are some "far out" 70's tunics that we see on background characters (I think Sulu might wear one at one point when Kirk first appears on the bridge) but all the ones that we see front and center are all navy grays and whites with classic braid (in both the military AND Star Trek sense) and creases. The short sleeves Kirk and Sulu wear look like Navy Summer uniforms (and are THE coolest uniforms in ALL OF STAR TREK). And if the much lauded Admiral uniform doesn't look like military spit and polish then I don't know what does.
TWOK doesn't look like any contemporary military (even if Meyer tried to shoehorn some into it in The Undiscovered Country because - BAD GUYS). They get lightly compared to Napoleonic era uniforms but not in any specifics, just that they're big and heavy. They get compared to Canadian mounties a lot. That's closer to the military I suppose. But there's a much better argument that the Royal Canadian Mounted Police are not a military than there is that Starfleet isn't one.
Because Eurocentric attitudes and hairstyles are alive and well and living in the 21st, 23rd and 31st century.
Trek needs more 'afro hairstyles are normal' not less of it, and I am glad from a TV production perspective Sonequa Martin Green and Oyin Oladejo are flying the 'this is how (some) black women look'. The less pressure on black (and some white) and curly haired female actors to straighten their hair to fit some stupid made up ideal, the better society will be for it, we have been culturally and racially gaslighted in this area for too long.
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Yep - as are many of the characters across the series.
I agree with the point about people telling BAME women (and men) how to have their hair is problematic but was giving the benefit of the doubt that the poster meant it from a "Starfleet is the military" POV
BAME? 
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