What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[fireproof78]

Seasons 1-3 could have worked just as well - nay better - if it was established that Neelix just saw Kes as a surrogate for his younger sister. Even the weird hostility towards Tom Paris would still have worked.

Indeed. I think this could have been reworked to be much better in terms of the show.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Especially if you're Worf. He was raised by humans and has some of our proclivities so not everything in his life is grit and combat.

Also consider that the mother of his child was Federation ambassador to the Klingon empire and the woman he later married was Federation ambassador to the Klingon empire in one of her prior lives. Also, he was front and center, indeed the prime mover, behind two consecutive successions of power for the Klingon empire. First he helped facilitate Gowron over Duras, and then when Gowron's actions were endangering the empire, he killed Gowron to facilitate Martok's rise in his stead.

 

[Paul755]

The problem with Neelix-Kes is they couldn't commit to it properly. It's like they realized past the pilot how creepy it was that a two-year-old character (played by a twenty year old) was in a relationship with someone middle aged, and walked it all back. They barely kissed, had separate quarters, and Elogium strongly implied they had never even had sex! Despite the claims that they were a couple, all signs onscreen pointed to a weird toxic platonic relationship between the two of them (with creepy vibes coming off of Neelix), not an intimate one.

Seasons 1-3 could have worked just as well - nay better - if it was established that Neelix just saw Kes as a surrogate for his younger sister. Even the weird hostility towards Tom Paris would still have worked.

Absolutley. For me, it’s cringy (at least nowadays) when you watch an older episode and he calls her sweetie…given the context.

Having him be a father/uncle or even older brother type figure instead of boyfriend would have worked so much better.

 

[Dee1891]

Absolutley. For me, it’s cringy (at least nowadays) when you watch an older episode and he calls her sweetie…given the context.

Having him be a father/uncle or even older brother type figure instead of boyfriend would have worked so much better.

This complaint does not work for me, considering the Ocampan life span. I agree that in the end, Neelix and Kes were not meant for each other. But to use their ages as a reason does not work for me, since the Ocampans age faster than many other species, including Talaxians and Humans.


Grogu is technically older than Din Djarin. Yet, because his species ages a lot slower, he is still basically a toddler and not an adult like the Mandalorian.

 

[eschaton]

This complaint does not work for me, considering the Ocampan life span. I agree that in the end, Neelix and Kes were not meant for each other. But to use their ages as a reason does not work for me, since the Ocampans age faster than many other species, including Talaxians and Humans.


Grogu is technically older than Din Djarin. Yet, because his species ages a lot slower, he is still basically a toddler and not an adult like the Mandalorian.

Even if technically speaking Kes is not a toddler, in terms of life experience she has a tiny fraction of what Neelix does. She has no real experience with men, and thus it's easy for Neelix to have take advantage of her naivete.

 

[Dee1891]

Indeed. I think this could have been reworked to be much better in terms of the show.

Even if technically speaking Kes is not a toddler, in terms of life experience she has a tiny fraction of what Neelix does. She has no real experience with men, and thus it's easy for Neelix to have take advantage of her naivete.

But he didn't. Which is probably why she stayed with him, until she realized he was not for her. Kes had to start somewhere when it came to romance.

 

[Farscape One]

This complaint does not work for me, considering the Ocampan life span. I agree that in the end, Neelix and Kes were not meant for each other. But to use their ages as a reason does not work for me, since the Ocampans age faster than many other species, including Talaxians and Humans.


Grogu is technically older than Din Djarin. Yet, because his species ages a lot slower, he is still basically a toddler and not an adult like the Mandalorian.

While I mostly agree with you that Neelix/Kes was not cringy due to age being a reason considering her short lifespan, comparing that relationship to Grogu and Din couldn't be further apart from being similar. One was a romance, the other was not.

I do agree, though, that her lack of life experience can give the appearance of creepiness. If a 50 year old man were to be in a relationship with an 18 year old girl, that wouldn't raise eyebrows? This is why so many view Neelix with Kes in a creepy way.

(Again, I don't necessarily agree with the creepy assessment because he never tried to take advantage of her, and he genuinely loved her. Though I am very glad the writers dropped the jealousy angle quickly.)

 

[Vger23]

There are more hours of bad Trek than good Trek.

Ridiculous.

 

[Tupperfan]

Ridiculous.

Okay.

 

[1001001]

There are more hours of bad Trek than good Trek.

 

[cooleddie74]

There are more hours of acceptable/so-so Trek than truly great.

Bad? Then why even be a fan?

 

[Tupperfan]

There are more hours of acceptable/so-so Trek than truly great.

Bad? Then why even be a fan?

Well, guess my opinion is indeed controversial. Guess I'll be ran out of town covered in tar and feathers as soon as I entered!

But to answer the question, I'd consider "so-so" Trek to be relatively bad, so I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder.

And why even be a fan, you ask? I'm asking the same question myself as I'm (very) slowly drifting away from being a Trek fan. But to be honest, I mostly love what Trek can be when it's as its best: In its execution, it often swings and misses to various degrees (DIS and PIC are perfect examples of that in my opinion).

 

[fireproof78]

There are more hours of acceptable/so-so Trek than truly great.

Bad? Then why even be a fan?

Why not? When Trek is good it is very good. People are fans for lots of reasons. This is one of them.

 

[cooleddie74]

I don't know. If I thought something wasn't good I wouldn't watch it unless it was being riffed MST3K-style by people taking the piss out of the badness. But that's just me.

I can deal with "meh" and occasionally terrible but anything consistently bad I avoid.

 

[eschaton]

Trek has lots of mediocre, but (IMHO) the only season which is more than 50% bad is TOS Season 3.

There more seasons of Trek than this with more bad episodes than good ones though, like TNG Seasons 1 and 7, ENT Season 1, DIS Season 1, and PIC Season 2. But overall I tend to think even most "bad" Trek seasons are really just mediocre.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't know. If I thought something wasn't good I wouldn't watch it unless it was being riffed MST3K-style by people taking the piss out of the badness. But that's just me.

I can deal with "meh" and occasionally terrible but anything consistently bad I avoid.

I'm the same way. But there is room for everyone.

 

[Delta Vega]

I've seen the actual prop, it does not look like much. We are talking real low rent here.

Commodore Decker, resorted to wildly overacting
Ok mate, but you still lost your crew
Captain Decker, wasn't capable of overacting, he wasn't even capable of acting, he was the proverbial plank of wood
But he evolved, with an android, probe, whatever, who looked like his ex bird
Of course none of the Holy Trinity of Kirk, Spock or McCoy would consider this rather kneejerk development

 

[Lord Garth]

TOS Season 3 --> Some good, some bad, some mediocre.
TNG Season 1 --> Some good, some bad, some really bad, some mediocre.
TNG Season 7 --> Some good, some bad, the vast majority mediocre.
Most of VOY --> See TNG Season 7.
ENT Season 1 --> Some good, some bad, a ton of mediocre.
ENT Season 2 --> Aggressively Mediocre. That makes it the worst season of Star Trek.
DSC/PIC (any season) --> I'm well aware that I'm not on the same page as a lot of people here.

So, yeah, even what are considered the worst seasons of Star Trek aren't what I'd call "mostly bad". So I can't agree with the idea that there's more Bad Trek than Good Trek.

Now, if you want to say there are more bad Terminator movies than good Terminator movies, I'm with you 100%.

 

[cooleddie74]

There've been more bad than good Terminator films since 2003.

 

[Deks]

Especially if you're Worf. He was raised by humans and has some of our proclivities so not everything in his life is grit and combat.

Plus, if we draw from DS9, we've learned that some of the Klingon traditions Worf used to uphold, he started seeing in a different light.
He even mentioned to Martok that his wife's perception of Jadzia was less than 'enlightened' and compared various Klingon behaviors to 'xenophobic and outdated' (even though Martok didn't agree with him).

Worf was already exhibiting changes in his 'full Klingon' character to more peace oriented persona. In TNG, he was much more in line with other Klingons (but still different), and he changed further in DS9 too.

Him opting for peace and being an ambassador (if that's what he eventually became) would actually make sense.