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Superman

Thank you! This is what I'm saying. Have your own preferences, but don't try to speak for the general audience. The general audience has no idea what the hell a SnyderCut is, much less have an opinion on it.
 
The Lensman said:
The reverse is also true. Literally every non-comic fan I've shown MOS to had the exact same reaction when he finally kills Zod:

"It's about time"
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Very timely, important point--non-comic fan. They are the majority of any film's audience, and even this collective--with a basic cultural awareness of Superman--did not see his killing Zod as some aberration to the core identity of the character, but he was making a realistic decision that was relatable to a real audience. They were not looking for Santa/Daddy, but a live action adaptation of a character that felt like he would exist in the real world, hence their "It's about time" response.

Few were going to relate to Superman--with only seconds to spare--trying to create unworkable options to stop Zod who was more powerful than Superman, and was determined to incinerate the family.

As you said before, just tell a good story, or be entertaining and it really doesn't matter if he occasionally kills or doesn't.

But then the exact same thing holds true for literally every character ever.
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Exactly. Superman killing on occasion is no narrative or cultural failing, anything unnatural or some sort of deal-breaker, just as it was not for such heroes as Batman (Nolan/Snyder, etc.), MCU Captain America, TOS/TOS movie Kirk, Luke Skywalker, et al. Believable, justifiable actions in the service of the story support and build on great characters.
 
The Lensman said:
Sure because "the audience", outside of fanboys, doesn't give a shit. The reverse is also true. Literally every non-comic fan I've shown MOS to had the exact same reaction when he finally kills Zod:

"It's about time"

The only people raising a stink about this, a decade later, are fanboys. Fanboys who live in an echo chamber and think that everyone in the general population feels exactly like they do and the reality is.....they don't, As you said before, just tell a good story, or be entertaining and it really doesn't matter if he occasionally kills or doesn't.

But then the exact same thing holds true for literally every character ever.
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Exactly. It's a harsh truth to realize that everyone has a different viewpoint on what makes a character that character. And, the fast majority of the audience do not have this encyclopedic knowledge of various comic book characters. At best, a basic familiarity and a desire for a compelling story with interesting characters. That's it.
 
Guy Gardener said:
The only reason Lex went cartoon evil is because John Shea was leaving the series.

They dated for almost half a season, and it was magical, until the end, which was stupid.
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Magical? That was never my impression of Lois' romance with Lex. Just pleasant, but with less enthusiasm on her part.
 
Dee1891 said:
Magical? That was never my impression of Lois' romance with Lex. Just pleasant, but with less enthusiasm on her part.
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There was the episode where they're all held hostage at the Daily Planet, while criminals are looking for a gangsters Vault from the 1930s.

Lex offered them a million dollars to let Lois Go free, and he's standing between her and the gun men's bullets.

Besides "Magical" is easy when you own a dozen private jets.

It was her relationship with Superman that was superficial bordering on imaginary.

They had never had a conversation lasting longer than 8 words.

She just liked his body, and got off on being saved from certain death.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Few were going to relate to Superman--with only seconds to spare--trying to create unworkable options to stop Zod who was more powerful than Superman, and was determined to incinerate the family.
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Yeah, but if he created a *workable* option, on the other hand...

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Dean Cain is a hard line republican Trumper.

What would happen if Dean today got to write and produce his own redstate Superman Show?

Superman builds the wall.

Superman uses his speed and vision powers to recount all the elections where the Republicans had been told that they had lost.

Superman uses heat vision to put holes in all the condoms planned parenting is trying to give away.

Superman blows up all the Needle exchange depots.

Superman blows up the VA... Wait a minute?
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Grant Morrison wanted to do that story.
https://grantmorrison.substack.com/...tations?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Grant Morrison said:
I had this big daft idea to update the classic utopian Superman story Superman Red/Superman Blue from 1963 by having an older Superman face a literalization of his contradictory impulses towards anti and pro authoritarianism.

My suggestion was we split Superman not into Superman Red/Superman Blue but Superman Left/Superman Right – collectivism versus competition - authoritarianism vs. libertarianism with each half starting closer to the centre, then growing ever more hardline as time went by and they remained separated. With dire consequences for the world, of course!
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Robert Garcia, a new Democratic Congressman from California, will take his oath of office on a copy of the US Constitution, a photograph of his late parents, his naturalization paperwork, and ... a copy of Superman #1:
"I learned to read and write English reading comics as a kid. Never stopped reading,” he said.

Garcia, who moved to the US from Peru, said that the values he grew up with while reading Superman are ones that he brings with him into his adult life and his new job.

“I grew up mostly reading Superman comics, you know, truth and justice, an immigrant that was different, was raised by good people that welcomed them and always someone that if you look at Superman values, and caucus values, it's about justice, it's about honesty, it's doing the right thing, standing up for people that need support.
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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/pocharaponneammanee/robert-garcia-superman-comic-oath-sworn-in

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