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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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I think Yahya Abdul-Mateen II would be an excellent addition to the MCU. I don't have an opinion about Wonder Man one way or the other, so I would be very curious to see whatever he could potentially bring to the role.
 
I'm not familiar with Wonder Man beyond a basic description, but I did like Mateen in Aquaman, and The Matrix Resurrections, so I'm pretty happy to see him joining the MCU.
 
I think Wonder Man was in that awful Avengers United cartoon? Don't remember much about him. Very cool casting though. Loved Watchmen and Black Manta was one of the best things about Aquaman.
 
I think Wonder Man was in that awful Avengers United cartoon? Don't remember much about him. Very cool casting though. Loved Watchmen and Black Manta was one of the best things about Aquaman.

He was, they used Vision's comic origin there where his mind was based on Wonder Man's and it made him fall in love with Wanda because Wonder Man was.
 
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Can I just say I think it's a bold/weird choice to have Phase 5 shows which focus on characters only introduced in Phase 4.

I mean, I don't buy the idea there is that much of a clamoring for Agatha Harkness. I certainly don't think anyone really wants an Echo show.

I can understand doing more with these characters but I don't understand why they can't just pop into one of the other Disney+ shows for a bit. Maybe even do a sort of mini-Avengers for TV only, where the second-string characters who won't show up in the next Avengers movies can team up.
 
Shut up and take all of my money already!! Aubrey Plaza is coming to the MCU!! :D

Can I just say I think it's a bold/weird choice to have Phase 5 shows which focus on characters only introduced in Phase 4.

I mean, I don't buy the idea there is that much of a clamoring for Agatha Harkness. I certainly don't think anyone really wants an Echo show.

I can understand doing more with these characters but I don't understand why they can't just pop into one of the other Disney+ shows for a bit. Maybe even do a sort of mini-Avengers for TV only, where the second-string characters who won't show up in the next Avengers movies can team up.
Because the character proved to be very popular.

Because the writers saw great story potential.

Because it's on a streaming service.

Because Disney has a shit ton of money.

Because why the fuck not if they can make a great show?
 
Can I just say I think it's a bold/weird choice to have Phase 5 shows which focus on characters only introduced in Phase 4.

That's not even remotely weird. It's a perfectly natural progression -- no weirder than, say, introducing Spider-Man and Black Panther in Civil War and then giving them their own movies a year or two later.


I mean, I don't buy the idea there is that much of a clamoring for Agatha Harkness. I certainly don't think anyone really wants an Echo show.

I've seen lots of positive buzz about both characters. There's nothing new about breakout characters getting their own spinoffs. It's been happening since the days of radio.
 
I'll never understand the notion that a project needs people wanting it in advance in order to succeed. Did anyone in 1976 want to see the adventures of Luke Skywalker? They'd never heard of him! The whole point is to make people like something by giving them an enjoyable experience. It shouldn't matter whether they liked it ahead of time.
 
If writers and producers listened to what the audience "wanted", the MCU wouldn't exist in the first place


But won't that be something of a problem if different viewers within the audience wanted different things? If I was a writer, I would not want my readers to dictate my story. I would create my story and leave it up to others to either accept or reject it.
 
Honestly, I'm just happy that we're getting Echo because it's such a massive step forward in representation in media. I can't think of show another staring a deaf, amputee, Native American woman. Hell, you can probably count the shows starring a person who was any one of those things on one hand, but get a show starring someone who is all three is pretty remarkable.
Now, I really liked the character on Hawkeye, and would have been looking forward it just based on that, but the representation in it just makes it much more important.
 
I got a lot of hostility regarding this, so I just want to say my point is just it feels like Disney+ isn't spending enough time with each of the new characters that are introduced before moving on to the next thing, which is part of why I am a little frustrated with Phase 5.

Imagine if after Phase 1 was done they were like "okay, that's enough solo movies with Iron Man/Thor/Captain America" and dropped them until Age of Ultron. We still got GOTG and Ant-Man, Winter Soldier was rejiggered into a Black Widow movie with Cap as a supporting character, no Iron Man 3 or Thor the Dark World (admittedly the second wouldn't be awful).

Aside from Loki, (and I guess What If..? if you want to include an episodic series) there are no plans to continue any of the MCU series already aired. In some cases this makes sense. WandaVision was clearly meant as a one-off thing (though it's now getting two spin-offs it seems). The Falcon and the Winter Soldier was to provide backstory to Sam becoming Captain America. But in other cases, I could clearly see a continuation of the stories established, yet there's seemingly no plans to do so. No plans for more Kate Bishop. No plans for more Moon Knight. No plans for more She-Hulk. I could also extend this to movies as well - like it seems pretty likely we won't see more of Shang-Chi or the Eternals until the next Avengers movie.

I think having some self-contained stories is fine. I really liked Werewolf by Night, and I don't care if it doesn't tie in anywhere further. But considering how many of these shows are either constructed as origin stories or explicit passings of the torch...I wish we could get second seasons to really see the characters and the showrunners come into their own, instead of treating many of them as disposable miniseries.
 
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