"...an enormously joyful Superman."
Excited to finally see Cavill reach the true potential he has to give with the character now that the shackles are off.
This is truly a win for everyone no matter which side of the fence you sit on.
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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"...an enormously joyful Superman."
Excited to finally see Cavill reach the true potential he has to give with the character now that the shackles are off.
This is truly a win for everyone no matter which side of the fence you sit on.
I'll decide that for myself after I;ve seen it because I thoroughly enjoyed his take on Superman a lot. The journey of self discovery that plagued him and required rough lessons to become the person he could be, both of his set of parents hoped he could be and has the potential to become was something much more intense and marvelous than most 'Whohoo I am America's boyscout posterboy of sugary goodness USA-driven goodness' people think he should be from an age of the all American progaganda machine era.
Maybe I'm to European to get that. Yes, M'rk son of Mogh, I know you're Canadian.
Right now we can have the best of both worlds. He went on his journey of self discovery, and now he's found who he is. The past movies and journey is still there to be enjoyed.
Oh no! Nooo! No, no, no, no! Warner Bros. is going to transform the Superman character into some Mr. Smiley, who always does and say the right thing, 24/7. Just another one-dimensional character. Fuck it, I'm through.
Superman didn't start out as "all-American propaganda." He actually began in 1938 as an anti-establishment figure fighting governmental corruption and predatory profiteers and standing up for the powerless and marginalized. Here's a Twitter thread I read about it the other day: https://twitter.com/dammjohnny/status/1583913460655476736
It's simplistic and wrong to assume that characters have to be dark and cynical in order to be well-written or multidimensional. I recommend Elliott S! Maggin's classic novels Superman: Last Son of Krypton and Superman: Miracle Monday, which do a marvelous job of showing how a character of limitless power and pure goodness can still be written as a complex, textured character who struggles with his choices. Tyler Hoechlin's Superman on Superman and Lois is a pretty good example too.
Which is what Im hoping for. Doing the right thing in this modern world isn't easy. A demi-god from another world doing it as if it's nothing doesn't teach us anything except for waiting or some deux ex machina. Having a saviour teaching us that doing the right thing isn't easy but worth is something this godforsaken raped by humans basically worthless planet needs. Otherwise none of us apes will ever be inspired to get of our collective asses because we only do what media inspired heros tell us to do.
Right, which automatically means that he didn't become that.
There is this weird little thing called 'the rest of the world isn't the USA'. You'd be surprised how many of us look at Superman as being the USA's posterboy. Now, I know you'll come up with many internet sources that claim that Im wrong.... or make a post that says something along the lines that 'you get it and not every US citizen is USA biased'. This is all correct. But maybe just take a break and accept that the rest of the world might not follow your exact thought process.
Same here.
Well reasoned observation. Superman is and will always be an alien trying to mask himself in human behavior, but in attempting that, he has to use that adopted life / emotional perception to face humans (or other creatures) who will test his adopted behavior with their own uncompromising positions. That is what makes the character interesting and has the potential to grow. Walking around like the worst of 1950s manufactured behavior is no interest to anyone, or even relatable (as much as entertainment can be relatable).
There's a reason innumerable fans were going wild at the news Cavill was returning starting with the Black Adam cameo: they loved and continue to love his interpretation of Superman from his previous outings, not the idea of how the character will be treated going forward. Its based on that. Its the reason why the audience during my screening--with many adults / oft-jaded writers who would otherwise never let out that kind of emotion for a superhero cameo--were yelling and clapping when Superman...returned.
Ddue, I'm mature enough to admit we don't always vibe. But when we do, we do.
Which is why, any new movie with Cavill should leave no doubt whatsoever and just be called......
Superman
And that is not what Superman is at all. Remember, he came to Earth as an infant. In most post-1986 versions, he never even learned he was an alien until he was an adolescent or a young adult. What makes him Superman isn't his alien powers, it's the values Jonathan and Martha Kent instilled him with and the loving, kind example they set for him. At heart, Clark Kent is just a farmboy who wants to use what he can do to make a difference. He doesn't see himself as a demigod. The great thing about Superman is that, with all his power, he's in awe of us. He started out as a populist standing up for the litle guy, and that's remained a part of him ever since. "You're much stronger than you think you are."
The reason I've always loved Superman, and superheroes in general, is because, as a bullied child, I was drawn to the idea of someone who had great power and used it only to help, never to harm or put others down. Superman embodies the principle that power is meant to protect. Not to elevate oneself, but to help raise up others. As someone who was victimized and devalued throughout my childhood, as someone who struggled with depression and despair, I needed the idealism of Superman, Star Trek, and the like to give me hope, to let me believe things could get better. Hope was the only thing that gave me a reason to keep living. So when I see people trying to tear down the idealistic stories I needed and turn them into something dark and cynical, it hurts me deeply. Idealism is not shallow or stupid or empty. It's the refusal to give up. It's the determination to keep fighting to make things better instead of just throwing up your hands and saying nothing will ever change. So if you say idealism is silly and only dark, cynical stories matter, I say you don't know what you're talking about.
The point is that it's not an inextricable part of Superman as a character. It's just the way some writers have interpreted him. And really, I think that perception of Superman as defined by patriotism comes largely from Frank Miller's negative portrayal of Superman in The Dark Knight Returns, making him just a stooge of the government because he basically didn't like Superman as a character. So much harm has been done to comics by people, writers and fans alike, who mistook Dark Knight for the default template for comic books instead of a satirical deconstruction.
Um, I like him in the role and thought he was well cast on a number of levels. That said I HATED they way the character was portrayed in the Snyder films (IE the writing for him in the scripts) involving the character. So no, for me, your statement isn't accurate.
Yep. I always felt Cavill was a great Superman who wasn't given the chance to really be Superman.
All I can say to that is the people who were yelling and clapping during the Cavill cameo at the screening did so because they love his portrayal of Superman--which is tied to his development in the stories of all of his previous appearances.
I was clapping myself at the screening I went to. So again, I don't think you can speak for everyone else who is at a screening who enjoyed the mid end credits cameo.
So apparently Affleck has been signed back on to do more Batman?
https://www.small-screen.co.uk/ben-affleck-signed-batman-trilogy/
Good, I think he's a good Batman and deserved better
https://www.small-screen.co.uk/ben-affleck-signed-batman-trilogy/
Good, I think he's a good Batman and deserved better
That looks like one of those click bait sites that I post and get mocked.
In the MOS extras Snyder actually says that the journey is basically over, and now he is the Clark we know. And then he made BvS... Couldn't help himself I guess.
Zach Snyder's playful question to Cavill: 4:29 - 6:07
Cavill on Superman's journey from some time ago: 6:12 - 7:22
Cavill on Superman's journey from some time ago: 6:12 - 7:22
That’s an overreaction