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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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It’s easy to dismiss Phase One in 2022. 2008-2012 was a different story. You’re looking back after they changed the game in the context of a game which has changed one and a half times again since.

I don't think the point is to "dismiss" Phase One, just to use it to offer a sense of perspective -- that something doesn't have to be 100 percent flawless and brilliant in order to be worthwhile, that something isn't a failure just because some parts of it are less memorable than others.
 
I just realised.....

We're not getting a new MCU show untill 2023. The way these shows kept coming out (same with Star Wars) gave me the idea a new one would start in about 4 weeks or so.
 
MCU fandom isn't a monolith. No single fan speaks for every fan's general thoughts.

That and the MCU is so massive now, of course, there are going to be varying opinions. I think Eternals is underrated but many don't like it. While I enjoyed Falcon and the Winter Soldier, it's probably my least favorite show thus far but I know many have it near the top. And so on.

The MCU has become more broad, we have political thriller with Falcon and Winter Soldier, sit-com with She-Hulk, YA with Ms. Marvel, 40s/50s horror with Werewolf By Night, etc. Not everything will appeal to everybody as is the case with comic books as well.

DC has escaped this to some extent by not having everything in the actual DCEU. Would Snyder fans take to the shenanigans of Doom Patrol, would fans of The Flash and Stargirl find Titans appealing, Peacemaker fans and Batwoman and so on. Some will of course but I don't think the DC offerings have universal appeal to all fans.

Not to say a show can't be bad on its own terms and maybe be a bad comedy but I think simply being a comedy or whatever isn't necessarily a failure in and of itself.
 
The Incredible Hulk: Essentially forgotten because Disney doesn't have the rights, but pretty much a forgettable entry regardless

Wholeheartedly disagree--it was the one and only Hulk production of the MCU where the Banner/Hulk characters were treated not as an add-on in films driven by / largely about other characters, but they were closer to the spirit of the Stevenson-eqsue, dual-identity tragedy established in the Silver Age Hulk comics.

Iron Man 2: Pretty bad

Agreed.
Captain America: The First Avenger: An underrated outing IMHO, but not on the same level as the later films
Still one of the best MCU films--where a character was not merely a puppet bounced around to get from one endless set-up to another, or a walking quip machine. He was in his own world, and while having connections to other films (just to establish a universe) is acceptable (as long as most of the film is not one lone Easter Egg / tease), it was not what made the solo outing work.
Avengers - Why Phase 1 is remembered.

..and that's not good. The only sound, non-cartoonish (and easy to revisit) entries from phase one were the 1st Hulk and Captain America films, with Thor coming in a somewhat distant third place.

Given all of this, I don't think the overall quality level for Phase 4 has been notably bad. It's pretty much the same as it's always been.

Most of its output has suffered from the factory conveyor belt syndrome; it does not matter that the skin--the trappings are different, there's still a sameness and predictability.

The source material always had comedic elements.Stan Lee was a funny guy, Spider-man's quips, the slapstick antics of the Thing and the Torch and of course

But it was never on the level of what is seen in some of the films, where quips are fired off with the rapidity of a 4th of July skyrocket show.




Agreed.
 
Not sure how old you are, but this is a common generational refrain. I grew up thinking comics were unreadable until the seventies when they became really good.

I wasn't reading comics in the 80s due to being too young, but even as a kid I hated things written for kids. All I could see were plot holes and ridiculous plots.
 
Beh, this is Michael Keaton-as-Batman all over again. A comedian we already know is talented who will be good.
He is a good enough actor to give us anything that could be required of him. If they require him to act like Borat, then I will be disappointed, but there is no indication of that being the case.
 
I wasn't reading comics in the 80s due to being too young, but even as a kid I hated things written for kids. All I could see were plot holes and ridiculous plots.
Stan wasn't "writing for kids". He wrote comics that kids enjoyed, but also found an audience in college aged people. Stan reinvented the way comics sounded and the themes they explored. He paved for what happened in the 70s and 80s. The people who wrote books in those decades literally studied at his feet.
I have no problem with comedy. I just don't like Mr. Cohen's style of comedy so this news is less than thrilling.
He's a good actor and I doubt he'll be writing much.
 
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