Spoilers Lord of the Rings TV series
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That sounds about right. If you look at the maps the show's been using (found a good one here) you can see that Ostirith, Tirharad and Hordern are all nestled in/near the eastern edge of the Ephel Dúath--and south of Orodruin--in the region that will eventually become the desolate Plateau of Gorgoroth.
Ooh! I like that idea! That makes more sense to me than him becoming a Ringwraith.
Yeah, it really makes me think that the humans that fight "on Sauron's side" in LotR don't get much choice. It's more geography than ideology.
I wish the show would make it a bit clearer where these events are taking place. Maybe replace the sandbox intro sequence with a GOT map thing. I thought I had a dim view of the map of the world, but I've been completely lost where everyone is at in Middle Earth. I was under the impression the people getting attacked by Orcs were simply somewhere to the east of the Misty Mountains, not actually IN Mordor. I don't mind looking at maps while reading the books (actually I enjoy it), but I shouldn't have to do this watching a tv show.
Well, they have showed maps. But I dig what you're saying. It took awhile for me to get my bearings.
BTW, I almost freaked realizing the Harfoots were in what becomes the Dead Marshes. One of the creepiest parts of the books for me.
I dig the entire travel montage song.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if the ‘Parade Scene’ was a homage/call-out to Faramir’s March/Departure from Minas Tirith in ROTK? Seemed like it…
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To come back to the issue with Kemen, does anyone else also think his name sounds like a version of Khamul in another language?
Khamûl the Ringwraith? Certainly, both Kemen and Eärien appear to be on the side of the King's Men. I'm not sure why Eärien is though. Perhaps she's gathering intel for Míriel or her father Elendil, but that seems unlikely. Kemen is certainly a potential candidate for a Ringwraith.
ETA:...except according to the fan site: "Khamûl was called the Shadow of the East, the Second Chief, and the Black Easterling. He was the only Ringwraith whose name was given by J.R.R. Tolkien, as well as one of the six Ringwraiths not of Númenórean descent."
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ETA:...except according to the fan site: "Khamûl was called the Shadow of the East, the Second Chief, and the Black Easterling. He was the only Ringwraith whose name was given by J.R.R. Tolkien, as well as one of the six Ringwraiths not of Númenórean descent."
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After thinking about this some more, Meteor Man was probably chanting a spell to rejuvenate his arm. (Envinyata means to heal or renew.) So, nothing more significant than that.
Not really related to any of the discussion, but I hope we get to see Tom Bombadil in this show. Elrond talks about him in the Fellowship Of The Ring book so they could easily have them cross paths at this earlier point in his life, especially while Elrond may be travelling around the area.
"In those lands I journeyed once, and many things wild and strange I knew. But I had forgotten Bombadil, if indeed this is still the same that walked the woods and hills long ago, and even then was older than the old."
(from The Council Of Elrond chapter of FOTR)
"In those lands I journeyed once, and many things wild and strange I knew. But I had forgotten Bombadil, if indeed this is still the same that walked the woods and hills long ago, and even then was older than the old."
(from The Council Of Elrond chapter of FOTR)
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Do Amazon have the rights to use the characters of Tom Bombadil and Goldberry? Bombadil does not interfere in the affairs of other dwellers in Middle-earth unless absolutely necessary. His general passivity and lack of agency would not advance the plot, which progresses very slowly already as it is. Tolkien got his inspiration for the character from Väinämöinen in Finnish folklore, and, in my opinion, his decision to do so contributed precious little to the legendarium. Leaving the characters out of most adaptations is a sensible choice.
So what did Amazon buy? “We have the rights solely to The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King, the appendices, and The Hobbit,” Payne says. “And that is it. We do not have the rights to The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-earth, or any of those other books.”
Tom Bombadil is in the Fellowship Of The Ring and they have the rights to that. That's where I typed out what was said by Elrond in reference to him (The meeting between him and the hobbits occurs earlier in the book).
I'm not saying he's going to join and fight, but Elrond certainly does talk about having encountered him previously in his younger/travelling days.
The Silmarils are mentioned in the Lord of the Rings itself and in the Appendices. In fact, Aragorn relates quite a detailed summary of events that took place in the First Age.
I think it would be a mistake to turn Bombadil into an active character. He's more like a genius loci.
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Egads, please… No Tom Bombadil.
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They are probably mentioned quite a bit.
But the one mention that I remember straight away is about the specific Silmaril Earendil took into the heavens to become the Evening (and morning) Star in Bilbo's song about Earendil which he sings in Rivendell;
A ship then new they built for him
of mithril and of elven-glass
with shining prow; no shaven oar
nor sail she bore on silver mast:
the Silmaril as lantern light
and banner bright with living flame
to gleam thereon by Elbereth
herself was set, who thither came
and wings immortal made for him,
and laid on him undying doom,
to sail the shoreless skies and come
behind the Sun and light of Moon
The light of the same Silmaril (or rather its reflection caught in Galadriel's fountain) is also what lends the phial Galadriel gifts to Frodo (the one he uses to defeat Shelob) it's holy light (technically they mention the light of Earendil's Star there, but the light of Earendil's Star comes from the Silmaril he holds, so...)
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Aragorn does a big exposition dump about Beren and Lúthien Tinúviel and their relationship to the Silmarils on Weathertop just before Frodo gets stabbed by the Ringwraith.
ETA: My copy of The Lord of the Rings has an index so it's quite easy to find references to stuff from the First and Second Ages. I don't feel like reading it for a third time but I might listen to the audiobook. The question is which version is better - the Rob Inglis one or the Andy Serkis one?
ETA: My copy of The Lord of the Rings has an index so it's quite easy to find references to stuff from the First and Second Ages. I don't feel like reading it for a third time but I might listen to the audiobook. The question is which version is better - the Rob Inglis one or the Andy Serkis one?
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I have the Andy Serkis one and it's very good in my opinion. Of course since I mostly use audio books to fall asleep I haven't heard all of it yet.
I've read one or two reviews that rate Inglis' version higher due to various nit-picking complaints about the pronunciation and singing ability of Serkis. Just going by the snippets I've heard, I can't tell which I'd prefer. I might buy both readings of Fellowship from Audible and return the one I don't like. To tell the truth, I might well like both.
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