Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb.
Superman
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It wasn't that scene though. It was when Penguin re-hydrated his goons in the Batcave with heavy water. Two disintegrated when punched.
Personally, I think we can blame those two deaths on the Penguin, not Batman and Robin.
In addition to what others have said about Superman, I would just say that I don't think Batman should ever kill because it is an essential part of his psychology. Batman's entire fixation is on the idea of preventing anyone else from ever dying as his parents died. To that end, he will do just about anything and break any rule... except killing. It's not a question of what I think is appropriate for a Batman story (since I do think Batman stories can get darker than Superman stories yet still be appropriate to the character), bur rather a question of what I think the central facet of his psychology is. Batman is obsessed with preventing death. That's his thing. Even if not killing someone is not particularly rational, he should not be written as being capable of doing it.
The problem with Superman Returns was not that people had some sort of dislike of the Reeve movies. The problems with Superman Returns were that 1) it was tonally dissonant from the Reeve movies (you don't market your movie as a continuation of the Christopher Reeve version of the story and then give us a sad depressed emo Superman who's also a deadbeat dad who's lost the love of his life to another man), and 2) it also just wasn't very good.
Of course, in retrospect the fact that Superman Returns was directed by one sexual predator and co-stars another sexual predator as Lex Luthor doesn't help it any.
And Lower Decks is part of the same universe as other Star Trek.
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Not sure what your point is, but LDS is part of the same universe as other Star Trek.
That's right. He didn't know.
That is my point. Just because two things take place in the same world doesn’t mean they have to be of a piece tonally, or that they need to follow the same narrative rules.
Unless new information has come to light, and what I'm about to say is what I learned years ago. The Boy who had sex with Bryan Singer was a legally sexually active Adult in his home state at the age of sixteen and was thrown out of home for being gay. He crossed state lines and became a child again until he turned 18. He was invited to a party and had sex with Bryan in a hot tub at the age of 17 which is statutory rape. Obviously having sex with some one close to age of consent is problematic and having sex with someone half your age is disgusting, even if it's legal.
Kevin tried to fuck a 14 year old who was asleep. Spacey can go to hell.
Now what I actually wanted to say...
Batman of the Future: The Joker Returns.
Bruce is slow and old.
He can't quite get the job done, but he's out there every night.
The Joker is being a dick.
He sees a gun on the ground.
Picks it up, points the barrel at his target, and thinks about shooting the joker.
Accepts that this is why he is not Batman any more, and retires.
Just because the rest of Star Trek takes place in the Lower Decks universe, does not mean that Lower Decks takes place in the Star Trek universe.
There's going to be pretty solid evidence soon that, in fact, it does coexist. SPOILER (article at Variety.com):
And next year we'll be getting to see Boimler and Mariner in live action.
Maybe, but that's a part of who Batman is -- he can't do it. It's a psychological block for him.
Let that be a lesson for you in tampering with the laws of nature.
Agreed--it should be about what works for the character in the world he inhabits, and for a very-integrated world like that of DC's, the silly, Weisinger type of characterization does not work. Further, the pro-1950s / Weisinger Superman people are at odds with late Silver Age readers--and DC's PTB--who reached that rational conclusion in the late 60s, where Superman was an active participant in titles (e.g. Justice League of America or guest spots in other titles) which were evolving into what readers wanted to see in their comics.
Well, in the 80s and 90s, Marvel live-action content was sparse, but the Lundgren Punisher (1989), Salinger Captain America (1990), or the Hasslehof Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. TV movie (1998) were still rightly perceived as terrible. Batman Begins (2005) was the seismic force / writing on the wall that certain older, misguided versions of comic book characters were not the way fans viewed their heroes / reflective of the comic book changes which had been taking place for over three decades at that point. Superman Returns--or rather Singer--learned nothing from those changes, instead, thinking the world wanted to pick up where Superman II left off, and despite the more "mature" themes in the film, it was still inhaling the fumes and approach of something that felt out of place less than a decade after its theatrical release.
That may be the case, but it does not mean it will work, or was the right decision, since LD is a send-up, which ST--as a concept--is not
Lower Decks is not a "send-up" in the sense of it seeking to mock Star Trek. It is, rather, a loving tribute that asks us to laugh with ST, not at ST.
Worse, SR was practically a word-for-word remake of the 78 Superman movie at various points. That drove me nuts!
