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Superman

70 years ago today, the Adventures of Superman TV series, starring the great George Reeves as the Man of Steel, premiered on Chicago's WENR.

IMO, George Reeves's performance as Clark/Superman has to this day been exceeded only by Christopher Reeve -- and that just barely. Reeves's effortless charm and charisma always made him an active delight to watch, whether in the first season's gritty noirs, or the kid-friendly larks of the show's latter years.

In celebration of the anniversary, Anthony Desiato, host of the popular Digging for Kryptonite podcast, has launched a new biweekly AoS rewatch podcast, Another Exciting Episode in the Adventures of Superman. I haven't had a chance to check out the first installment yet, but I fully expect to be a regular listener:

https://anotherexcitingepisodeintheadventuresofsuperman.captivate.fm/episode/superman-on-earth-1x01
 
Silver Age Superman was kind of a schizzy product of 50s sci-fi comics and 40s crime comics.
 
I'm kind of not a fan of the whole "no kill rule" when you have some rampaging monster, or alien, or powered up human killing hundreds of civillians who had no say in the matter or are largely forgotten the very next issue or episode hey fuck that noise I'm going to go all badass on their tail and end the rampage for good.

Come to think of it in most comic stuff they never really do get a mention if ever, and for the most part seem replaceable because city populations never seem to shrink or change. Rant over.
 
Gingerbread Demon said:
I'm kind of not a fan of the whole "no kill rule" when you have some rampaging monster, or alien, or powered up human killing hundreds of civillians who had no say in the matter or are largely forgotten the very next issue or episode hey fuck that noise I'm going to go all badass on their tail and end the rampage for good.

Come to think of it in most comic stuff they never really do get a mention if ever, and for the most part seem replaceable because city populations never seem to shrink or change. Rant over.
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Not a rant at all. It never made sense in any way a real person would accept; as seen in many a superhero film, there are some clearly lethal villains who cannot be captured, forced to stand down, surrender or leave. In situations of that kind, the villain has to be killed, otherwise the hero is playing with the lives of the innocent all to maintain his or her self-image related to an unworkable, largely irrational code. As seen in Captain America: The First Avenger, the final fight aboard the Valkyrie was in no way a mission to capture the Red Skull, who was intent on launching advanced bombs on populations around the world, potentially killing hundreds of millions of civilians. Knowing this, Cap was aboard to kill the Red Skull, not talk him down, or apprehend him.

In Man of Steel, Zod was not going to listen to pleading, accept negotiation (not that there was any way to negotiate with a super-powered tyrant) when he launched the World Engine, or was set to murder a family. There's no tired grinning, winking to the camera and picking a villain up by the collar to hand him off the police. The same applies to Thanos. If a threat is to sell as a believable threat, the hero--on occasion--has to accept there are no options other than to eliminate the villain. Failing that, the innocent suffer to unimaginable degrees (especially with the plans and actions of the three named antagonists).
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Not a rant at all. It never made sense in any way a real person would accept; as seen in many a superhero film, there are some clearly lethal villains who cannot be captured, forced to stand down, surrender or leave. In situations of that kind, the villain has to be killed, otherwise the hero is playing with the lives of the innocent all to maintain his or her self-image related to an unworkable, largely irrational code. As seen in Captain America: The First Avenger, the final fight aboard the Valkyrie was in no way a mission to capture the Red Skull, who was intent on launching advanced bombs on populations around the world, potentially killing hundreds of millions of civilians. Knowing this, Cap was aboard to kill the Red Skull, not talk him down, or apprehend him.

In Man of Steel, Zod was not going to listen to pleading, accept negotiation (not that there was any way to negotiate with a super-powered tyrant) when he launched the World Engine, or was set to murder a family. There's no tired grinning, winking to the camera and picking a villain up by the collar to hand him off the police. The same applies to Thanos. If a threat is to sell as a believable threat, the hero--on occasion--has to accept there are no options other than to eliminate the villain. Failing that, the innocent suffer to unimaginable degrees (especially with the plans and actions of the three named antagonists).
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And since I'm plowing my way through the series Supergirl I see this a lot with her "no kill" policy and super sunny disposition and it kind of irritates me, that's kind of what brought out my rant.
 
Gingerbread Demon said:
And since I'm plowing my way through the series Supergirl I see this a lot with her "no kill" policy and super sunny disposition and it kind of irritates me, that's kind of what brought out my rant.
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Maybe it's a cultural thing, but no killing is a pretty good character element to have, especially with a role model like Kara that a lot of young girls look up to. We obviously don't get enough of that in real life so having a fantasy character to look up to (remember, adults, these characters aren't real) is actually pretty positive.
 
Gingerbread Demon said:
And since I'm plowing my way through the series Supergirl I see this a lot with her "no kill" policy and super sunny disposition and it kind of irritates me, that's kind of what brought out my rant.
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If it's any consolation, her sister Alex has probably killed hundreds of people.

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Brando got on a roll, and he never takes notes, so he said that Jor-El is from the planet "Kryptin".

The baddy Kryptonian Lord Norr from Season 4 of Lois and Clark was also saying "Kryptin".

Weird coincidence or really deep cut?

Another note from season four of L&CTNAOSM, noble families are represented by boys and girls, but the womyn carry within them the right to rule, and then it's the dudes who actually govern, or at least that's what seemed to have happened.
 
If these stories were taking place in the real world, a no kill rule would not make sense, true, just as in the real world OF COURSE soldiers would be expected and cheered for killing invaders. But that's not what I look for in a Superman story. I want to see the character use his powers in clever ways and find a way to win whatever is at stake, without being dragged down to the level of the real world. I prefer writers who approach Superman from that point of view, rather than writers who want to bend him to be subject to the harsh reality of life. To be sure, you can tell great stories using either approach, but one resonates with me and one doesn't. YMMV.
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
Maybe it's a cultural thing, but no killing is a pretty good character element to have, especially with a role model like Kara that a lot of young girls look up to. We obviously don't get enough of that in real life so having a fantasy character to look up to (remember, adults, these characters aren't real) is actually pretty positive.
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Oh no that's fine and I get that. That's a super cool reason to keep that in the character and the show but as a viewer that was just one thing that stuck out to me, despite the fact I do like the show for what it is. I really do. Just that aspect stuck out and bugged me a little.
 
A no killing rule makes sense IF the character can genuinely stop the stop the bad guys without killing them. Which, since the writers controls what happens in these fantasy stories, can indeed be the case. (In Joe Casey's run on Superman comics, he took it further and made Superman a literal pacifist. He never hit his enemies but instead found other ways to de-power/pacify/contain/etc. And it WORKED because these are fantasy stories and the writers control the circumstances.)
 
YLu said:
A no killing rule makes sense IF the character can genuinely stop the stop the bad guys without killing them. Which, since the writers controls what happens in these fantasy stories, can indeed be the case. (In Joe Casey's run on Superman comics, he took it further and made Superman a literal pacifist. He never hit his enemies but instead found other ways to de-power/pacify/contain/etc. And it WORKED because these are fantasy stories and the writers control the circumstances.)
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True to a certain point. But when you set them in a world that is a stand in for the real world real world rules to an extent should apply.
 
Gingerbread Demon said:
True to a certain point. But when you set them in a world that is a stand in for the real world real world rules to an extent should apply.
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So considering that virtually the majority of superheroes are vigilantes who operate outside the law, they should be in prison too?

Because, try to beat up people who don't adhere to your personal concept of right and wrong dressed in a flamboyant costume in real life, and I'm sure the police will want to have a few words with you ...
 
Skipper said:
So considering that virtually the majority of superheroes are vigilantes who operate outside the law, they should be in prison too?

Because, try to beat up people who don't adhere to your personal concept of right and wrong dressed in a flamboyant costume in real life, and I'm sure the police will want to have a few words with you ...
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I can't argue any of that you are correct.
 
Oliver Queen spent half a season in jail.

I feel like Kara has been deputized by the DEO, and if the DEO was a legally sanctioned operation rather than a final solution to the alien problem dreamed up by xenophobes 20 years ago to keep white humans with money, safe... No seriously, the real Hank Henshaw wanted to kill all aliens, and he was in charge, which was probably not a coincidence.

The lack of oversight is probably how John was able to change the DEO's mandate without much pushback.
 
Gingerbread Demon said:
I can't argue any of that you are correct.
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We had a similar discussion on another forum and the consensus that a superhero couldn't operate for long, even in the States which citizen's arrest is allowed. (We are talking about bona fide superheroes a là Batman or Daredevil, not "real-life superheroes", who are just people doing community work dressed funny).

Even if they weren't killed first, they would inevitably screw up. They would interfere with a police operation, accidentally arrest an innocent person, or kill a suspect. There is a reason why in theory a functioning society should have the police forces maintain public order, police forces which (always in theory) must answer for their actions and not private citizens who hide their identity behind a mask.
 
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