"Plato's Stepchildren" and Southern TV Stations

[Kor]

How about we say "storytelling convention." I like the word "trope." I think it sounds hip. Or hep, or whatever they say these days. But I think I'll go with "storytelling convention" to sound more authoritative and less casual.

Kor

 

[Neopeius]

How about we say "storytelling convention." I like the word "trope." I think it sounds hip. Or hep, or whatever they say these days. But I think I'll go with "storytelling convention" to sound more authoritative and less casual.

Kor

"It's 'hip', Aunt Harriet -- they changed it."

"Storytelling convention" is great. But, like "trope", it's not always applicable. Language has a purpose, dammit!

(worldbuilding, lore, and trope are the words that have dumbed down critical writing to the point of uselessness).

 

[Christopher]

My usage of "trope" is in the dictionary, so I don't see the issue. Language evolves.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

My usage of "trope" is in the dictionary, so I don't see the issue. Language evolves.

It's a perfectly valid use of the term, but I would agree that cliché is also accurate in that context, and it has the additional virtue of conveying more information.

 

[Ssosmcin]

You know what's a really good word also?

"Pedantic."

Come on guys, there's got to be more to this topic than language pet peeves.

 

[Neopeius]

You know what's a really good word also?

"Pedantic."

Come on guys, there's got to be more to this topic than language pet peeves.

Is there?

 

[1001001]

You all realize you’re actually living out a Star Trek Fan Trope right now, right?

 

[Neopeius]

You all realize you’re actually living out a Star Trek Fan Trope right now, right?

All I heard was <static>

 

[Maurice]

You know what's a really good word also?

"Pedantic."

Come on guys, there's got to be more to this topic than language pet peeves.

I've contributed plenty, thankyouverymuch.

 

[Forbin]

Oh, I don't know. Maureen Robinson on Lost in Space was a biochemist, though it rarely came up.

"Oh well. Does anyone want pie?"

 

[Forbin]

I actually know a person whose last name is Trope.
Yet she's a totally unconventional person.

 

[MAGolding]

What does that even mean?

Trek didn't cause a cultural shift with the kiss, that's true. It was just at the head of the wave. But that's significant, too.

Just like Star Trek put a woman on the bridge, and then a Black woman on the bridge. Given that I can count the number of science fiction stories in a year (in the mid/late 60s) that do that, that's even more significant.

Here is another science fiction story from the mid/late 60s with a woman on the bridge for your list.

Empress of Outer Space, A Bertram Chandler, 1965. A spaceship captain has been elected as empress of a space empire with considerable (though not absolute) power and is quite competent and rather arrogant about her space expertise..

 

[Neopeius]

Here is another science fiction story from the mid/late 60s with a woman on the bridge for your list.

Empess of Outer Space, A Bertram Chandler, 1965. A spaceship captain has been elected as empress of a space empire with considerable (though not absolute) power and is quite competent and rather arrogant about her space expertise..

Thanks. Chandler is one of the better ones. He's had women in his space service (albeit, outnumbered and generally in "female" roles) since the 50s.

 

[Forbin]

In my friend Paul Scrabo's direct-to-video indy "Dr. Horror's Erotic House of Idiots," there's a short sequence set aboard a ship from an all-female planet with an all-female crew. I even have a small role - I play the ship's computer, which is imbued with the personality of the last male on the planet. Here's a dramatic still:

 

[Maurice]

In my friend Paul Scrabo's direct-to-video indy "Dr. Horror's Erotic House of Idiots," there's a short sequence set aboard a ship from an all-female planet with an all-female crew. I even have a small role - I play the ship's computer, which is imbued with the personality of the last male on the planet. Here's a dramatic still:

Shows as a broken link for me.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Shows as a broken link for me.

In Chrome, the workaround is: right-click, Open image in new tab.

 

[Maurice]

In Chrome, the workaround is: right-click, Open image in new tab.

I know that. But is that a site that should be properly displaying the images?

 

[Greg Cox]

Even one of my college profs repeated the notion that the Uhura/Kirk kiss was the first interracial kiss on TV. This claim has been echoed over and over again for years. I wonder who first made the assertion.

Kor

I noticed that many of Nichols' obituaries used phrasing like "often believed to be the first interracial kiss" or "sometimes cited as the first interracial kiss" to get around that the fact that the oft-repeated claim is only correct if you add a lot of qualifiers and disclaimers.

Personally, I'm fine with "one of the first and most celebrated interrracial kisses on American TV."

 

[Maurice]

"One of the first and worst interrracial kisses on American TV."

 

[Commishsleer]

i''m confused.
If you only count black-white kisses and not a peck on the cheek, was it the first on American TV?
BTW. Do we know what the first same-sex kiss was? Wait maybe we should qualify that male-to-male and not a peck on the cheek?