What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Amasov, Jun 20, 2020.

  1. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk A Spock and a smile Premium Member

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    I find it hard to believe that "fill in the gaps" representation is acceptable to those who society has often tried to render invisible. Asian and Black kids around the world saw Sulu and Uhura on the bridge and thought "hey someone who looks like me". Some of those went on to be actors, astronauts and scientists because they saw a future that included them. I can't believe a show with an all white cast and them pretending that all the POC characters were just off screen or around the corner, would have had the same impact. The same goes for LGBTQ+ kids watching to day. Seeing Stamets, Culber, Adira and any other LGBTQ+ can inspire and encourage them the way that Uhura and Sulu did for a previous generation. And that won't happen if LGBTQ+ characters are "left to the imagination". Frankly it's always a thrill to see someone like you no matter how "insignificant". I get a thrill when a character on TV or film is left handed because I am too.
     
  2. Lord Garth

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    We're being played. All of us. These complaints of his sound a little TOO familiar. If you get my drift.
     
  3. Serveaux

    Serveaux Fleet Admiral Premium Member

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    Anyone can claim to be whatever or whoever they like, trying to win a debate on the web. So, what's to "get away with?"
     
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  4. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    I knew there had to be another left handed person out there! :beer:
     
  5. Richard S. Ta

    Richard S. Ta Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Three of us!

    I remember when I was the only left-handed person I knew about who liked Star Trek. Things were much better in those days.

    Nowadays knowing there are three people who are left handed… well, I guess every fandom gets ruined some time or another. It’s just like Star Wars now.
     
  6. Orphalesion

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    Well then you should know how important it is for young homosexual people struggling with coming to terms with their sexuality to have positive role models that show you can be a homosexual man/woman, trans etc. and still be a valuable member of society.
    And I'm not talking about having gay people just to have gay people, but have people who happen to be gay. There's enough characters in 90s Trek, like Harry or Geordi who could have desperately needed a storyline to flesh out their characters, why not make that storyline a same-sex romance that's treated exactly the way a hetero romance owuld have been treated.
    Plus in a franchise were there's whole episodes about hetero couples frolicking together (and where, for example, the pilot of TNG went out of his way to show a woman leering at Riker's ass) I don't see how a couple same-sex flirtations or relationships would be "pandering".
     
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  7. Commander Troi

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    Interesting thought, especially since I just rewatched TWOK. It certainly could've been a terrific ending for the original cast. But I would've been sad not to get TUC. :)

    I never thought I'd say this, but I agree. Spock's death is SO powerful!

    Which is a shame IMO. I love both the symbol and what it stands for.

    I've always found it interesting that alternate family/marriage structures haven't been explored (other than Phlox), given that there are more openly polyamorous folks now than when I first met some 20+ years ago. Maybe in another decade or two...

    You make a good point about Denobulan families, but I wonder about overlap (ie, Person X is married to Persons Y, Z, and A while Person Y is also married to A). Still, it's probably like Royal Families. :lol:

    You officially win my Best Snark of the Day post! :guffaw:
     
  8. Orphalesion

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    I think it might also be a change of taste and style over the decades. Nichols' version of Uhura both with her singing and ina appearance always reminded me of prominent black singers from that time period, like Diana Ross during the 1960s, which went for a more styled look/sound with her beehive wig and everything.
    Gooding's Uhura on the other hand in her singing and appearance fits more with a modern idea of beauty that emphasizes a more natural, simple look/sound.
     
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  9. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Admiral Admiral

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    Wow. I come into this thread with almost 100 unread posts only to discover that its almost all about one person making the thread all about themselves and not at all about controversial opinions.
     
  10. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Reminds me of "Solitude" by Ella Fitzgerald, which I recall from my music class in high school.
     
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  11. Vger23

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    This used to be such a fun, interesting thread.
     
  12. tesral

    tesral Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Yo. Left handedness is under represented. The left handed have been heavily persecuted in the past.
     
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  13. KamenRiderBlade

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    When Data fought against Sela, it was at extreme ranges.

    And long distance fighting can be portrayed in space battles and done right.


    Babylon 5 showed that you can do it correctly with the Battle of Gorash 7.
     
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  14. Lord Garth

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    Controversial Opinion: I don't mind Sela. I'd like to see her in PIC Season 3.
     
  15. Vger23

    Vger23 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I wouldn’t be surprised…!
     
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  16. cooleddie74

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    Controversial opinion: the colored food cubes in TOS look good. I mean, they're a rainbow of colors and were once even made of marshmallows tinted with food coloring. SNW needs at least one scene with Pike eating from a plate of them.
     
  17. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Admiral Admiral

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    I buy them at the store or get them out of the vending machine sometimes. But here, in the 20th & 21st Centuries, we call them Starbursts!
     
  18. cooleddie74

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    Starfleet of the mid-to-late 23rd century endorses candy colored food. See? It's a counterbalance to all those corrupt and deranged Captains and Admirals.
     
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  19. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Almost everyone in Trek is a wet blanket, whose idea of fun is going to see Data recite poetry in Ten Forward, or Harry Kim play his clarinet.

    My idea of fun? The crew getting smashed in "Magic to Make the Sanest Men Go Mad". Real people, unwinding from real stress in believable ways.
     
  20. Grendelsbayne

    Grendelsbayne Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I don't know about 'almost everyone'. We saw a lot of people who played sports, played instruments themselves, loved to read, enjoyed food and traveling, and enjoyed holodeck programs that were very often a 24th century equivalent of the kind of games people play today. And there was certainly no shortage of alcohol lovers, either.
     
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