What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Orphalesion]

ENT seemed to actively celebrate human stupidity and bigotry, the way the characters acted you really had to wonder how these idiots got to be the first official crew to represent humanity in the greater galaxy.
I'm pretty convinced the idea was that they wanted to get away from the "perfect", sometimes "bland" human characters in much of 90s Trek and erred to far in the opposite direction, but that doesn't excuse characters like Archer. Or that they made up new lore specifically so that there'd be opportunities for the human crew and T'Pol to be a-holes to each other (the smell of humans is apparently unpleasant to Vulcans, and Vulcans are unable to even touch breadsticks with their hands)

How do you know that there were no gay characters on enterprise? I’ve always been amused by this.

No character did anything that resembled same-sex affection on screen, not did we ever hear of anybody claiming themselves and/or off-screen characters to be LGBTQ+
"Hide your Gays" is a bigoted trope from a time before LGBTQ+ characters became more mainstream.

 

[tesral]

Much ado about nothing.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Any of them could have been. I’m amused that people have to be shown stuff sometimes.

That's also saying that none of them have to be gay.

When people complain about a lack of gay characters, what they're talking about is that there are no characters who must be gay, who were shown to be gay, especially while other characters were shown to be heterosexual or at least married to opposite sex partners. It's rather incredible that this isn't completely clear.

 

[Nenya]

ENT seemed to actively celebrate human stupidity and bigotry, the way the characters acted you really had to wonder how these idiots got to be the first official crew to represent humanity in the greater galaxy.
I'm pretty convinced the idea was that they wanted to get away from the "perfect", sometimes "bland" human characters in much of 90s Trek and erred to far in the opposite direction, but that doesn't excuse characters like Archer. Or that they made up new lore specifically so that there'd be opportunities for the human crew and T'Pol to be a-holes to each other (the smell of humans is apparently unpleasant to Vulcans, and Vulcans are unable to even touch breadsticks with their hands)

No character did anything that resembled same-sex affection on screen, not did we ever hear of anybody claiming themselves and/or off-screen characters to be LGBTQ+
"Hide your Gays" is a bigoted trope from a time before LGBTQ+ characters became more mainstream.

People can be torn apart at the quantum level and sent through a magic beam=ok

No obvious gay people=they don’t exist and are being hidden

Just imagine them being there. It’s no big deal. Who cares anymore?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Any of them could have been. I’m amused that people have to be shown stuff sometimes.

It's not inclusion if they're so deep in the closet there's zero reference to their sexual preference, yet heterosexual relationships were depicted clearly for all to see.

 

[Vger23]

Anyway- Controversial Opinion: I like the S2 DSC Enterprise uniforms a bit better than those that are featured on SNW.

 

[Orphalesion]

No obvious gay people=they don’t exist and are being hidden
Just imagine them being there. It’s no big deal. Who cares anymore?

Among the dozens of characters that existed in Berman-era Trek, among the hundreds of extras, the many romances and instances of flirting we saw... there should have been visible LGBTQ+ characters, there is no way around it, especially for a franchise like Star Trek that praised itself for being inclusive.
Plus there's the story that a pair of extras portraying same-sex couple was removed from the set during the scene where Guinan explains to Lal what love is (and reportedly Whoopi Goldberg had to fight o be allowed to say that love is between "tow people" rather than "between a man and a woman)
It's a big deal for back then, because they were actively hiding us at a time when LGBTQ+ rights hadn't come as far as they have today.

Anyway- Controversial Opinion: I like the S2 DSC Enterprise uniforms a bit better than those that are featured on SNW.

I agree! They looked a lot better and Ansom Mount looked hot in that uniform! The only thing I would have changed is switching the bright yellow for more of a TOS or TNG gold. Less garish.

 

[Mudd]

Enterprise had more episodes to work with. These new shows are only about 10 episodes and they can’t even give us a good story.

You're entirely wrong. SNW is better written than most of 1987-2005 Trek. The characters are certainly entertaining - a great deal less dull all around than the older stuff.

I don’t appreciate your fantasies on how I feel.

Yet another thing that I've no reason to care about.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Good grief.

If we stop responding then the person in question can no longer control the flow of the conversation. They’ve clearly go nothing substantive or intelligent to say.

 

[cooleddie74]

Some Trek is epic and peak sci-fi television. Other is crap. That's life.

Neither make me lose sleep nor do so better.

 

[Orphalesion]

The characters are certainly entertaining - a great deal less dull all around than the older stuff.

And the whole lot of them are also very likeable. I mean, for example the SNW version of Uhrua is just somebody you want to hug and tell her that she's doing a great job. And they even managed to make her singing crucial to the plot of an episode!

 

[Nenya]

Anyway- Controversial Opinion: I like the S2 DSC Enterprise uniforms a bit better than those that are featured on SNW.

That is controversial because those uniforms are just awful looking. The SNW uniforms look closer to TOS than the Discovery version.

there should have been visible LGBTQ+ characters

Why?

 

[Orphalesion]

Why?

Because we exist, we have a right to exist and showing positive LGBTQ+ in a hugely popular franchise like Star Trek that praised itself for being progressive would have had good effects on culture as a hole. Remember how Whoopi Goldberg reportedly was elated as a child for seeing Uhura, a black woman on TV who wasn't a maid?
Well, the same could have happened to a gay teenager who would have seen a gay starfleet officer on TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT and see him portrayed as accepted, and successful.
Plus, when a franchise has so many characters there should be some LGBTQ+ characters simply through statistics. It would be in some ways very similar if, for example, in the whole of Berman-Era Trek we hadn't seen a single black person (as in none at all, not even an extra).
But I suspect you know that and are just vying for attention, or want to lash back at someone because nobody here validated your...well whatever you want to call those things you've been spurting, so yeah I'm done.

 

[Nenya]

Because we exist, we have a right to exist and showing positive LGBTQ+ in a hugely popular franchise like Star Trek that praised itself for being progressive would have had good effects on culture as a hole. Remember how Whoopi Goldberg reportedly was elated as a child for seeing Uhura, a black woman on TV who wasn't a maid?
Well, the same could have happened to a gay teenager who would have seen a gay starfleet officer on TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT and see him portrayed as accepted, and successful.
Plus, when a franchise has so many characters there should be some LGBTQ+ characters simply through statistics. It would be in some ways very similar if, for example, in the whole of Berman-Era Trek we hadn't seen a single black person (as in none at all, not even an extra).
But I suspect you know that and are just vying for attention, or want to lash back at someone because nobody here validated your...well whatever you want to call those things you've been spurting, so yeah I'm done.

Yeah I know WE exist but I’ve personally never understood the obsession with “inclusivity” and “representation”. To me, I’m not defined by my sexuality. I’m a human first and a gay man second. To me, shows just pander. Anyways.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Yeah I know WE exist but I’ve personally never understood the obsession with “inclusivity” and “representation”. To me, I’m not defined by my sexuality. I’m a human first and a gay man second. To me, shows just pander. Anyways.

It's no more pandering than showing hetero relationships. That's what inclusivity means.

 

[Nenya]

It's no more pandering than showing hetero relationships. That's what inclusivity means.

But what’s the threshold for inclusivity? When is inclusivity reached? Not everyone can be represented so total inclusivity can never be achieved.

 

[F. King Daniel]

But what’s the threshold for inclusivity? When is inclusivity reached? Not everyone can be represented so total inclusivity can never be achieved.

So keep the gays out of it?

Have you watched non-Trek TV recently? Inclusivity is everywhere.

 

[fireproof78]

So keep the gays out of it?

Have you watched non-Trek TV recently? Inclusivity is everywhere.

Personally, I think Brooklyn 99's model is probably my favorite. People are just there, and the inclusivity feels very natural to the situation.

 

[Kor]

And the whole lot of them are also very likeable. I mean, for example the SNW version of Uhrua is just somebody you want to hug and tell her that she's doing a great job. And they even managed to make her singing crucial to the plot of an episode!

My perhaps-controversial opinion... I like Gooding's singing voice better than Nichols'. I always thought that when Uhura sang in TOS she overdid the vibrato to the point of being exaggeratedly warbly, and it's the same when I've tried listening to the music albums that Nichols released.

Kor

 

[Nenya]

Personally, I think Brooklyn 99's model is probably my favorite. People are just there, and the inclusivity feels very natural to the situation.

Yes. People just “being there” is very Roddenberry I feel. That man was high as a kite though so make of that what you will.

My perhaps-controversial opinion... I like Gooding's singing voice better than Nichols'. I always thought that when Uhura sang in TOS she overdid the vibrato to the point of being exaggeratedly warbly, and it's the same when I've tried listening to the music albums that Nichols released.

Kor

Nichols’ singing is very “80’s” if that makes sense.