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Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

You can skip some early ranks in some IRL militaries if you have extensive civilian experience appropriate for the job before going in, but jumping to a Commander would never happen.

According to leaks, Season 3 is meant to take place in the early 2410s, almost a 10 year jump from Season 2, but nothing about that trailer seems indicate that.

I could see Seven being commissioned directly to Lieutenant J.G., or Lieutenant, but not Commander.
 
According to a new interview with Terry, the previous Titan wasn’t destroyed, just damaged enough to be retired.

We’ll also see multiple fan designs this season outside of the Shangri-La.

Terry’s reasoning for the retro look fits fireproof’s fan theory.
 
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So, the idea was that after the Luna class’s legacy run with Riker, that ship was damaged and retired. Some of the systems were refit and put into this new Titan, the Titan-A.

M'kay.
 
I'm thinking that the D saucer is in a Starfleet museum (maybe that building that gets destroyed? You can see an older shuttle and statue outside, so I'm thinking that's some kind of museum)

Terry said something in the trailer wasn't a museum on twitter, but I wasn't watching the live stream he was live commentating so I'm not sure what he was referring to.

I think the extent of Matalas' tweet was "Not Earth". He didn't say either way whether it was a museum. I suppose it could be the fleet museum on another planet, housing the D saucer. There's also a statue of someone out front (Picard?).
 
I defined nepotism and got the following: the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs:

:shrug:

Sorry, my mind must have been stuck in ‘previous administration nepotism’ mode. But that’s not relevant to the discussion.

According to a new interview with Terry, the previous Titan wasn’t destroyed, just damaged enough to be retired.

Again, not sure why the new one got an A, but whatever.

We’ll also see multiple fan designs this season outside of the Shangri-La.

I’m guessing we’ll be seeing some SOTL calendar ships.

Terry’s reasoning for the retro look fits fireproof’s fan theory.

You mean that ‘Starfleet likes nostalgia’ nonsense? Alrighty then.
 
You mean that ‘Starfleet likes nostalgia’ nonsense? Alrighty then.
With the Borg threat gone, they're going back into exploration mode
https://trekmovie.com/2022/09/14/in...-rikers-roles-more-star-trek-picard-season-3/

What kind of ship is it for Starfleet, more workhorse or more flagship?

It is a classic exploratory vessel that is a bit of an underdog in the situation that it gets into. So we really wanted to take a moment here and think about where Starfleet is at and how it would see advantages in the diversification of ship designs including purpose-built ships that were designed for specific types of missions. The new Titan is more of a long-range workhorse of a ship. Harkening back to the Constitution class that was designed for the long 5-year missions. It is an exploratory vessel with some serious maneuvering capabilities. Have you seen those impulse engines? Phew!

Can you talk about the design process, and maybe who worked on it?

The Luna class felt like it was more TNG-era than the Picard-era we set up with the new Stargazer, so we looked at many, many designs. I sat with [Picard production designer] Dave Blass along with Doug Drexler and John Eaves – both of which are Trek legends. One of the things we noticed was that the ships were starting to get a bit too aerodynamic. Oval and arrowheads. All curves, no angles. No proper saucers. We were quickly heading to Enterprise-J territory. So, we asked ourselves what if Starfleet designers looked backward to some of those old retro designs and updated them? – not unlike today’s modern car designers. But there needed to be a logic to it.

Doug Drexler had the idea that the round saucers and the wide saucers are inherently more stable in an emergency atmospheric entry. Not that we would see that in the season, but hey! It happens! His notion was that the elongated primary hull is more dependent on aerodynamic force fields, and ship’s computers to glide them in. So, we started to tell ourselves some Trek stories to flesh it all out. Starfleet experienced an incident during an emergency atmospheric entry where a certain Sovereign class primary hull maybe inverted and perished. Then a repeat incident happened with an Intrepid class primary hull. Doug noted that nothing like this had ever happened in the long history of circular and wide-tracking hulls. Software solutions were computer tested but not 100% successful. Why this weakness did not show up in computer trials of the Sovereign is still a matter of debate amongst Starfleet engineers. Just ask Geordi. [laughs]

And that is why it has more of a retro design compared to ships like the Enterprise-E?

Well, the Enterprise-E was also created during the time of the Borg invasion and had a specific design put in it for that purpose. Now that the Borg are no longer seen as a major threat, the new designs would revert back to previous “scientific exploration” type designs. It’s also worth noting that with the Federation growing it’s harder and harder to get consensus on anything in Starfleet. One admiral pushes for building a bunch of the same design ships so that they can be replicated quickly and then parts can be exchanged. Thus, you end up with the Zheng He or Inquiry class fleet. The problem is once an enemy finds a flaw, they can exploit that on an entire fleet. You only learn this until you lose a whole squadron of ships, which is what Doug Drexler theorized happened with the Inquiry class.

Doug had an amazing take on this. He’d say, “A Jeep still is a Jeep.” And there are logical utilitarian reasons why the Jeep still works and hasn’t gone away, and won’t go away. Classic Ray Ban Aviator sunglasses were designed in 1932. They haven’t changed! Because it’s a perfect design. C’mon, the P-51 Mustang hasn’t been surpassed. And that’s why Maverick flies one in Top Gun. That design is almost 100 years old! And the Constitution Class starship is a perfect design. So, this is simple aircraft logic. That’s what defines Star Trek tech. You can thank Matt Jefferies.
 
I love the refit E to death, but I am going to say the Titan-A looks off as a successor to the refit E as the design didn’t flow and looked clunky and less refined like the new Stargazer. I guess I can accept the Stargazer as it just followed the 4-nacelle convention, but the Titan-A is called out as a Neo-Constitution or Constitution III class, so it has to progress from a specific design…and it looks a bit weird?
 
With the Borg threat gone, they're going back into exploration mode
https://trekmovie.com/2022/09/14/in...-rikers-roles-more-star-trek-picard-season-3/
Which stands to reason given that they want to look back and say, "This is what Starfleet means and stands for. These are ships that evoke that vision for us to go forward, while honoring our history." It might sound like nonsense to us, but in an organization it is helpful to have that history to reflect upon and inspire. Otherwise, ship names should always be different, with no regard for history. Just cold utilitarianism of "build a ship and send it out."
 
With the Borg threat gone, they're going back into exploration mode
https://trekmovie.com/2022/09/14/in...-rikers-roles-more-star-trek-picard-season-3/

I’m not quite sure I agree with any of that logic, but whatever. I will say this, though. Just swapping out one nacelle design for another, and making minimal changes to the Shangri-La to turn it into the Titan, was pretty lazy IMHO. At least with the NX-01, there isn’t a single component that looks exactly the same despite the overall design mimicking the Akira.
 
Except for Crushers ship, I don't dislike the new designs. They have traditional Starfleet DNA all over them.

I just don't understand how "going back to exploration mode" mean ships have to have their design clocks turned back to what looks to me like post OS era movie designs.

:shrug:
I haven't thought of a good analogy but it might be like some of the American baseball teams and utilizing more traditional uniforms. It's looking back at history and what was successful in the past, and acknowledging their heroes. I mean the Excelsior frame was used for how many years? Elements of the Constitution were used in the original Stargazer and no doubt other ship aficionados will know of others. I don't see the problem in a supposedly post-scarcity environment, where technological updates should be able to utilize multiple different hull styles of looking at more retro-style based on the organization's history.

But, then, the TNG era aesthetic leaves me fairly cold as far as ships go.
 
Baseball players wear throwback uniforms occasionally for special events. They don’t wear them permanently. Because other than temporary nostalgia value, they aren’t practical.

I fail to see how a round saucer rather than a pointy one is more practical or has anything whatsoever to do with going back to exploration. But that’s because I don’t understand Matalas’s faulty logic.
 
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