I might have towed the Botony Bay to the least populated planet closest to the Klingon border, or SHQ.
"Such men dare take what they want..."--Khan: Sexy or creepy?
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I might have towed the Botony Bay to the least populated planet closest to the Klingon border, or SHQ.
Sure. I mean, these people were basically sentient superweapons - and there were 73 of them. Another thing that bugs is that Kirk and McCoy (and therefore presumably the rest of the command staff) know Khan's capabilities ("he could lift us both with one arm," etc.) - and yet they don't do anything about it. I think the writers were going for something along the lines of "Well, they were genetically bred and thus stronger, faster, et cetera, but they weren't necessarily a threat." But why would so many of them have fled in an "advanced starship" for the time? They had access to such a ship, they were fleeing, and they were physically and intellectually (at least allegedly) superior. Even without records (which Spock gets anyway without an explanation of how they suddenly got past the initial fog), all of this = toss Khan in brig or put him back in cryo while awaiting Starfleet/Federation orders.
Of course, then there's not much of an episode. Many of Star Trek's superb episodes depend on a total security failure aboard the Enterprise to advance the plot (see also "City"). I just wonder if a few changes in dialogue or plot might have addressed this issue in "Space Seed." The viewers forgave Kirk his oversights, but in "actuality" I think he would have been relieved of command immediately and even court-martialed, short-cutting the rest of the series.
But we all know that Gary Seven, Roberta Lincoln, and Isis sent the Augments away. (Read your Greg Cox!)
If--as Spock noted--"...whole populations were being bombed out of existence...", and you had access to a sleeper ship to escape what had the chance of a guaranteed death, wouldn't you think, "eh...screw it and screw earth...i'm outta here!" Not the exact reason Khan and his group fled, but all things considered, leaving a world-wide wasteland was not a bad idea.
That wasn't what I was getting at. The script hints heavily (or all but declares) that all (or, to be charitable, nearly all; I'm sure there were some exceptions) of the genetically enhanced attempted to subjugate the "inferior" humans. So if you later find an advanced (for its time) spacefaring vessel full of 85 of them, I think you have to assume that their intentions, if revived, will not be good.
Note that Kirk almost hits on this early with his (almost certainly correct) analysis of the Botany Bay name, but Spock quickly shoots him down with a logically sound, but in fact nonresponsive and distracting, rebuttal. Kirk then moves on, apparently without realizing that Spock misconstrued his theory. When the characters in a story are openly discussing a potential plot flaw themselves, I think it's often a sign that the writers saw it too, and attempted to handwave it. Here that doesn't quite work IMO.
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Worf said something similar in TNG as well - only with somewhat less charisma as Khan's firm and supple Corinthian Leather...
Forget the dumb callback "It is green" - nothing holds a candle to that, oh my...
Now, given the choice of being under Worf or Khan, with McGivers holding the whip...
Forget the dumb callback "It is green" - nothing holds a candle to that, oh my...
Now, given the choice of being under Worf or Khan, with McGivers holding the whip...
I don't think that you would necessarily know they were up to no good. They could have reformed with hundreds of planets to colonise you know a new slate.
Of course it would have been wise to keep a better eye on them - like whenever you have visitors on a Starship.
Also you'd think your officers at least wouldn't be traitors. Anyway how did McGivers have all that technical knowledge of the Enterprise.
Kirk gave Khan tech manuals to read while he was mending up.
She didn't. Kirk gave Khan access to the computer library. Maybe you ought to review the episode.
Not everyone has the DVDs.
Meanwhile a lot of us who bought the DVDs... Our DVD player died.
Extending the the life expectancy of our DVDs by another decade at least.
Result?
Thank you, but it took me nearly three years to move the media on 5000 DVDs to 14 external hard drives.
Just started The old Time Tunnel.
So similar to the new Quantum Leap.
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The end of the both pilots are EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!
In 1968 teaser to episode two of the Time Tunnel, Vic Fontane Quantum leaps into a Rocket ship that is blasting off into space.
Last week, in the 2022 teaser to episode 2 of Quantum Leap, The new guy who is not Captain Archer Quantum Leaps into a launching Space Shuttle.
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Last week, in the 2022 teaser to episode 2 of Quantum Leap, The new guy who is not Captain Archer Quantum Leaps into a launching Space Shuttle.
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Do the technical manuals really say how to gas the bridge? Geez.
If it does then Kirk should really be court martialled for letting Khan have access to them.
I just think McGivers had to show him how to do it
The problem with any story limited to 42-50 minutes run time is that inevitably some detail is going to get overlooked.
Khan might have gleaned some basic info of what was possible aboard the ship while not initially knowing the how of what was possible. Later, offscreen, he somehow learned the how to do what was possible.
Khan might have gleaned some basic info of what was possible aboard the ship while not initially knowing the how of what was possible. Later, offscreen, he somehow learned the how to do what was possible.
The episode is rife with unmistakable indications that Khan is not to be trusted, starting with him threatening to kill McCoy in essentially his first conscious act. He then has a tense conversation with Kirk. It goes pretty steeply downhill from there. Kirk's failure to recognize these signs is utterly inexcusable.
Maurice covered the McGivers question, although actually, she does display some operational savvy beyond her profession. She seems to know how to handle a phaser when she threatens Kyle, and she almost certainly cuts the video feed to the decompression chamber after leaving the briefing room.
Not to lessen the impact of Kirk's negligence, but I've always assumed that the manuals had security restrictions, and Khan figured out how to defeat them.
But Khan needed some crew to help him fly the ship so flight training wasn't in the manuals? Or Khan wasn't smart enough to break into them?
Kirk seemed to think McGivers was useless yet she did quite a lot of technical things as pointed out plus she operated the transporter ship to ship.
And you know virtually every visitor to the Enterprise is agro or tense or nuts. Kirk should just get a bigger brig and lock them all away in there or jetison them into space.
