Wasn't there some vampire show in the earls 2000s where the main character was Henry VIII's son?
"Such men dare take what they want..."--Khan: Sexy or creepy?
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Recalling the dialogue in McGivers quarters she might or mightn’t have figured out who Khan was on her own. It does sound as if she means she has figured out what kind of man he is rather than have recognized him specifically.
As for Kirk and company I don’t think it’s unusual they didn’t recognize Khan immediately. How many people today would instantly recognize someone from centuries past if they unexpectedly met them in person based on maybe recalling photos or illustrations, or just descriptions, from school history classes?
I am no history expert, although I am interested in it, but I find a helluva lot of people around me are essentially clueless when it comes to even recent history (past fifty or so years) let alone history decades to centuries past.
As for Kirk and company I don’t think it’s unusual they didn’t recognize Khan immediately. How many people today would instantly recognize someone from centuries past if they unexpectedly met them in person based on maybe recalling photos or illustrations, or just descriptions, from school history classes?
I am no history expert, although I am interested in it, but I find a helluva lot of people around me are essentially clueless when it comes to even recent history (past fifty or so years) let alone history decades to centuries past.
You missed my point. If I could major in anthropology - which includes both physical and cultural, and minor in geography - which includes both physical and cultural - there is no reason this couldn't happen in the 23rd century, no matter if the courses were taken at the Academy or any other post-secondary educational institution.
As for McGivers' paintings, sometimes a painting is just the output of a hobby. Even 23rd century people have hobbies.
Exactly. No on recognized Liberace in "The Squire of Gothos"...
Many people think that.
Billy Campbell.
He also played Koloth in the TOS Trouble with Tribbles and Deep Space Nine Blood Oath.
Trelane's dad was played by Jimmy Doohan.
Regarding the costume colors:
Marla McGivers and Ann Mulhall had light, reddish-brown hair that the red uniform hugely complemented. The red dress made them pop on screen. Job-wise, they both should have been in blue, but the characters were at liberty to wear their preference. The manual probably says, above a certain rank, you are "encouraged but not required" to wear a given color.
Helen Noel and Mira Romaine had darker hair, which is a more dramatic contrast with white skin, and they didn't need the help of the red dress. If Diana Muldaur had worn the dark "Miranda Jones" wig for Ann Mulhaul, she could have worn the "right" blue uniform, too, and looked good in it.
This "hair color, clothes color" effect in general is probably why William Shatner adopted a darker hair color right after Star Trek. Light, reddish-brown hair wasn't giving him the help he needed to look vivid and dramatic in any outfit.
Neopeius was kidding.
Marla McGivers and Ann Mulhall had light, reddish-brown hair that the red uniform hugely complemented. The red dress made them pop on screen. Job-wise, they both should have been in blue, but the characters were at liberty to wear their preference. The manual probably says, above a certain rank, you are "encouraged but not required" to wear a given color.
Helen Noel and Mira Romaine had darker hair, which is a more dramatic contrast with white skin, and they didn't need the help of the red dress. If Diana Muldaur had worn the dark "Miranda Jones" wig for Ann Mulhaul, she could have worn the "right" blue uniform, too, and looked good in it.
This "hair color, clothes color" effect in general is probably why William Shatner adopted a darker hair color right after Star Trek. Light, reddish-brown hair wasn't giving him the help he needed to look vivid and dramatic in any outfit.
Many people think that.
Billy Campbell.
Neopeius was kidding.
In story I suspect the women if they give a damn about aesthetics, would change their Hair to compliment their uniform.
I doubt that Star Trek could have afforded Liberace.
I doubt that Star Trek could have afforded Liberace.
Kind of defeats the purpose of a "uniform"...
The papers at the time flatteringly referred to it as "cinnamon."
Not literally, in the "Flint" sense. I'm pretty sure it's a black and white from the 60s-ish.
I dunno. The fact that Kirk didn't instantly recognize a notable figure from 200 years before (where they say upfront that records of that era are "fragmentary") isn't a deal breaker for me. Presumably Spock had to go digging to find the photos of Khan that he did.
Of course, the Strange New Worlds retcon of Khan's descendant La'an Noonien-Singh serving on the Enterprise under Captain Pike and being personally acquainted with Spock and Uhura makes Kirk look exceptionally slow on the uptake now.
In the script, McGivers is identified as a controls systems specialist.
I liked that: like even the specialists on the ship had jobs for all the times their specialization wasn't required.
Perhaps the Twilight Zone episode "Long Live Walter Jameson," with the guy who stopped aging 2000 years ago by some alchemist's power. He said he was old enough to have known Plato personally.
Kor
Given "Man From Earth", Bixby obviously wanted to claim that Flint was Jesus but someone chickened out.
Although if he was Lazarus, which is in the script, that disqualifies Flint from being Christ, which might have been intentional.
I take your point, but it's not just that they fail to make the connection for so long; it's that when they do, it turns out that all four of K/S/Mc/Scotty remember him very well and even have opinions about him. "Sneaking admiration" from Scotty, "He was the best of the tyrants," from Kirk, etc. Even in 1966, the idea that there would be no photos of Khan floating around was preposterous; it's even more belief-stretching today, of course.
For me the big flaw behind "Conscience of the King" - also remedied and overshadowed in a good way by superb dialogue, a compelling story, and excellent acting, just like "Space Seed" - is similar, but the inability to confirm the identity of an infamous colonial governor/murderer pales in comparison to not grokking that you just awakened the "absolute ruler of a quarter of" Earth. Just on circumstantial evidence alone it was pretty clear that Khan should have been tossed in the brig with five security guards with phasers on him (like his escort to the hearing at the end) about 10-15 minutes into the episode.
