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How Different Captains Might React in "Threshold"

WarpTenLizard

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Yes, this is my second "Threshold" related thread this week. I have salamanders on the brain. Don't ask why. Instead, what I want you to ask is, how would different captains in the "Star Trek" saga have responded to the situation, at the end of the infamous Season 2 "Voyager" episode?

For example, let's suppose that Picard and Lwaxanna Troi had ended up evolving into amphibians and producing offspring before Beverly was able to change Picard and Lwaxanna back. I feel Lwaxanna would insist on taking the lizards home, while Worf complains of the security threat that they risk. Picard would ponder the situation quietly in his office, until Q appears and reveals that this was all a test. Then Q snaps his fingers, conventiently undoing all the events of the episode.

Sisko wouldn't get a deus ex machina though. He'd give an impassioned speech outlining the conflict, while pacing back and forth:

"That Dominion technology caused Major Kira and me to evolve into amphibious lifeforms, and we procreated! Now I'm a human again, and she's a Bajoran. But our children are salamanders. I can't! Just abandon! My own children in a swamp in the Gamma Quadrant. Those are Jake's half-siblings! My father's grandchildren! Grandchildren, of the Prophets! But is it right to take them from their home in the swamp?"

The episode would end on a tragic note, with Quark getting possessed by Pah Wraiths, and rendering the Children of the Emissary down into a lizard-flavored mix drink, that O'Brien unwittingly drinks, and nearly dies painfully from.

Kirk, I feel, would be far less phased by any of this. I think Spock would make the same call Chakotay did, and leave Kirk and Chekov's offspring on their home planet. The episode would end with everyone but Bones laughing jovially at the situation, before blasting off to forget it ever happened.

Dr. Phlox would be smiling and quipping giddily at Trip's grizzly transformation. After Porthos gets lizard-Trip pregnant with three scaly, gilled beagles, Phlox would insist on leaving the three hybrids on an asteroid to die, because it's what evolution intended. Archer would reluctantly agree, as he decontaminates with his subordinates, and claims, "It's the breast we can do."

"Discovery" would redesign the lizards to look like elaborate Hollywood dragons, and reveal that after being abandoned by their parents Tilly and Stamets, their cries of despair caused a temporal explosion that destroyed the Kelvin timeline. Despite learning this, Tilly still uncomfortably declines the option of reuniting with her lizard kids, and Stamets expresses his open disgust for the entire situation.

Thoughts?
 
Throughout the series, everybody always gushed over how hot shit of a pilot Riker was. So, if Threshold took place on the Enterprise-D... well, the episode couldn't be weirder than Genesis or Masks :eek: I suppose instead of Riker taking Picard, he could come and take Admiral Necheyev, who's overseeing the warp 10 experiment. Picard has to wrestle with his conscience over whether he should interfere, as the evolved Riker and Necheyev now have offspring on a non-Federation world, so a conference room meeting ensues debating as to whether the Prime Directive applies :lol: In the end, Data and Geordi are able to reconfigure the deflector array to revert Riker and Necheyev back to their previous forms, and awkwardness ensues.
 
"Discovery" would redesign the lizards to look like elaborate Hollywood dragons, and reveal that after being abandoned by their parents Tilly and Stamets, their cries of despair caused a temporal explosion that destroyed the Kelvin timeline. Despite learning this, Tilly still uncomfortably declines the option of reuniting with her lizard kids, and Stamets expresses his open disgust for the entire situation.
"Threshold" doesn't work on Disco. They don't need "Warp 10". They have the Spore Drive.

I don't see it happening on DS9 either. Starfleet would be worried about what would happen if they developed "Warp 10" technology and the Dominion got their hands on it.

If it happened on ENT, that would be crazy.

I could see "Threshold" happening on TOS, TNG, or SNW. And yeah, so anyway, yeah. :ack:
 
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Thanks to that youtube video animating a condensed version of the story, it's beyond debate that "Threshold" would have fit into TAS with way too much ease.

TOS? Not as much. They'd just use boot polish to mimic the salamander hue and tack on some whisker things, and repurpose Spock ears since it'll be Spock and pre-Zetar Romaine transmogrified because we need some build-up for her character to make the non-chemistry in "Zetar" become believable... Now I get what you're saying, "Eh, huh?" Yup, I'm cornfused too... confused and corny...

TNG? Despite TNG's track record in making every dumb thing seriously believable, even "Genesis" with all its flaws and at least it's easier to like that one, I don't think it would have handled very well any slinky salamander hankypank, much less showing the results of it. Chances are, some plot-contrivance would splat the babies and then Crusher and Picard would get all squinch-nosed like how they had in "Galaxy's Middle Child (Named Jan)" and "Silicone Avatar" when the big and oddly-shaped space whale and the oversized crystal meth were destroyed respectively.

DS9? Uh, never gonna happen... well, if anyone could pull off anything close it'd be LD...


Lastly,


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Thanks to that youtube video animating a condensed version of the story, it's beyond debate that "Threshold" would have fit into TAS with way too much ease.

TOS? Not as much. They'd just use boot polish to mimic the salamander hue and tack on some whisker things, and repurpose Spock ears since it'll be Spock and pre-Zetar Romaine transmogrified because we need some build-up for her character to make the non-chemistry in "Zetar" become believable... Now I get what you're saying, "Eh, huh?" Yup, I'm cornfused too... confused and corny...

TNG? Despite TNG's track record in making every dumb thing seriously believable, even "Genesis" with all its flaws and at least it's easier to like that one, I don't think it would have handled very well any slinky salamander hankypank, much less showing the results of it. Chances are, some plot-contrivance would splat the babies and then Crusher and Picard would get all squinch-nosed like how they had in "Galaxy's Middle Child (Named Jan)" and "Silicone Avatar" when the big and oddly-shaped space whale and the oversized crystal meth were destroyed respectively.

DS9? Uh, never gonna happen... well, if anyone could pull off anything close it'd be LD...


Lastly,


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Flopsy, Plopsy, and Fishtail are my new head -canon names for them. I'll credit you if I ever use them in a fic parody or something.
 
The episode would end on a tragic note, with Quark getting possessed by Pah Wraiths, and rendering the Children of the Emissary down into a lizard-flavored mix drink, that O'Brien unwittingly drinks, and nearly dies painfully from.

Move over, Slug o' Cola, there's a new Ferengi taste treat in town!

Dr. Phlox would be smiling and quipping giddily at Trip's grizzly transformation. After Porthos gets lizard-Trip pregnant with three scaly, gilled beagles, Phlox would insist on leaving the three hybrids on an asteroid to die, because it's what evolution intended. Archer would reluctantly agree, as he decontaminates with his subordinates, and claims, "It's the breast we can do."

Good. But I like my idea where the whole ship gets accelerated to W10, and all the humans evolve into salamanders. Meanwhile, Porthos evolves into a three-ton carnivorous canid who gobbles them all up like burritos.

Flopsy, Plopsy, and Fishtail are my new head -canon names for them. I'll credit you if I ever use them in a fic parody or something.

My head canon is that "Threshold" itself was a nightmare from eating Neelix's leola root enchiladas. But still, I love the names too.
 
As an addendum, Miles and Keiko would insist on not changing any of the salamanders back, for the same reason that they weren't willing to reverse the time travel accident that turned regular Molly into Wild Thing Molly.
 
As an addendum, Miles and Keiko would insist on not changing any of the salamanders back, for the same reason that they weren't willing to reverse the time travel accident that turned regular Molly into Wild Thing Molly.
Oh God, that was the one time I loathed Keiko.
 
Kirk: 'Great, now I can seduce lizard babes too!. Well, I did so already anyway.'
Picard: To develop technology that changes us all into lizards is not only undesirable, it's immoral! Such a cruel joke ...I refuse to believe that this is what evolution intended for us!
Sisko: I'm afraid this is too non-linear, even for the prophets!
Archer: I wonder if that gazelle giving birth would have morphed into a lizard, too?
 
Yes, this is my second "Threshold" related thread this week. I have salamanders on the brain. Don't ask why. Instead, what I want you to ask is, how would different captains in the "Star Trek" saga have responded to the situation, at the end of the infamous Season 2 "Voyager" episode?

For example, let's suppose that Picard and Lwaxanna Troi had ended up evolving into amphibians and producing offspring before Beverly was able to change Picard and Lwaxanna back. I feel Lwaxanna would insist on taking the lizards home, while Worf complains of the security threat that they risk. Picard would ponder the situation quietly in his office, until Q appears and reveals that this was all a test. Then Q snaps his fingers, conventiently undoing all the events of the episode.

Sisko wouldn't get a deus ex machina though. He'd give an impassioned speech outlining the conflict, while pacing back and forth:

"That Dominion technology caused Major Kira and me to evolve into amphibious lifeforms, and we procreated! Now I'm a human again, and she's a Bajoran. But our children are salamanders. I can't! Just abandon! My own children in a swamp in the Gamma Quadrant. Those are Jake's half-siblings! My father's grandchildren! Grandchildren, of the Prophets! But is it right to take them from their home in the swamp?"

The episode would end on a tragic note, with Quark getting possessed by Pah Wraiths, and rendering the Children of the Emissary down into a lizard-flavored mix drink, that O'Brien unwittingly drinks, and nearly dies painfully from.

Kirk, I feel, would be far less phased by any of this. I think Spock would make the same call Chakotay did, and leave Kirk and Chekov's offspring on their home planet. The episode would end with everyone but Bones laughing jovially at the situation, before blasting off to forget it ever happened.

Dr. Phlox would be smiling and quipping giddily at Trip's grizzly transformation. After Porthos gets lizard-Trip pregnant with three scaly, gilled beagles, Phlox would insist on leaving the three hybrids on an asteroid to die, because it's what evolution intended. Archer would reluctantly agree, as he decontaminates with his subordinates, and claims, "It's the breast we can do."

"Discovery" would redesign the lizards to look like elaborate Hollywood dragons, and reveal that after being abandoned by their parents Tilly and Stamets, their cries of despair caused a temporal explosion that destroyed the Kelvin timeline. Despite learning this, Tilly still uncomfortably declines the option of reuniting with her lizard kids, and Stamets expresses his open disgust for the entire situation.

Thoughts?

Why are so many Trek fans obsessed with this episode? It's not great, but I believe only the last five to ten minutes are truly bad. The rest of it strikes me as being okay. And honestly, I have seen worse episodes from the Trek franchise, including "Voyager". So, what is this obsession with "Threshold"?
 
Why are so many Trek fans obsessed with this episode? It's not great, but I believe only the last five to ten minutes are truly bad. The rest of it strikes me as being okay. And honestly, I have seen worse episodes from the Trek franchise, including "Voyager". So, what is this obsession with "Threshold"?

You might say the same of "Spock Brain," "A Night in Sickbay," or "Subrosa." It's not not the awfulness, but also the sheer lunacy, that makes these stinkers so magical.
 
Dr. Phlox would be smiling and quipping giddily at Trip's grizzly transformation. After Porthos gets lizard-Trip pregnant with three scaly, gilled beagles, Phlox would insist on leaving the three hybrids on an asteroid to die, because it's what evolution intended.
Or he'd feed them to one of the other creatures in sickbay.
 
"Threshold" doesn't work on Disco. They don't need "Warp 10". They have the Spore Drive.

I don't see it happening on DS9 either. Starfleet would be worried about what would happen if they developed "Warp 10" technology and the Dominion got their hands on it.

If it happened on ENT, that would be crazy.

I could see "Threshold" happening on TOS, TNG, or SNW. And yeah, so anyway, yeah. :ack:

You know, Warp 10 (infinite velocity) is still a valuable tool for scientific development.
Just have SF create loads of automated (unmanned) vehicles with huge amounts of storage, send them to Warp 10, and program the things to shut off the engines after a minute or so and the things would just return to their original position (just like Tom Paris shuttle did).

SF may not have cracked navigation for Warp 10 just yet, but in that case, if the thing just returns to the starting point (or close to it) once the engines are switched off, SF can still use the technology for massive data gathering about the universe before sending ships to certain locations via say Slipstream etc.
 
You know, Warp 10 (infinite velocity) is still a valuable tool for scientific development.
Just have SF create loads of automated (unmanned) vehicles with huge amounts of storage, send them to Warp 10, and program the things to shut off the engines after a minute or so and the things would just return to their original position (just like Tom Paris shuttle did).

Tom says about this:

JANEWAY: How did you get back to Voyager?
PARIS: I saw that you were looking for me, so I took the new engines offline and ended up back where I started. But, oh, it's starting to slip away. It all was so vivid, and now

So it might be that Tom somehow influenced where the shuttle ended up -next to voyager rather than in, say a random spot in the M51 galaxy- (even if he doesn't know how exactly), and that there's no guarantee that an automated probe would do the same thing
 
Tom says about this:

JANEWAY: How did you get back to Voyager?
PARIS: I saw that you were looking for me, so I took the new engines offline and ended up back where I started. But, oh, it's starting to slip away. It all was so vivid, and now

So it might be that Tom somehow influenced where the shuttle ended up -next to voyager rather than in, say a random spot in the M51 galaxy- (even if he doesn't know how exactly), and that there's no guarantee that an automated probe would do the same thing

The dialogue doesn't really support the idea that Tom Paris influenced where the shuttle ended up.
It clearly stated he simply took the engines off line and ended up back where he started.
Besides, it would be worth a try.
 
^ I agree it would be worth a try at least, as we don't know what would happen.

Still, you wouldn't want that warp 10 technology to fall into, say, Dominion or Romulan hands, so perhaps you'd also have to program it to automatically self-destruct if it didn't end up where expected and wasn't detected by Starfleet within a certain time interval.
 
Doesn't warp 10 mean being in every single point in the universe at the same time?
No wonder the creators originally intended that it would be impossible to reach that speed.
 
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