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2022 book releases

I’m very sad to say that IDW has simply stopped working for me. The Year Five series was lackluster, and the current Mirror Universe series is, in a word, terrible. The upcoming crossover sounds like a mess in the making.

So, after almost two decades and almost 400 individual issues, I’m out.
agreed. the saving grace is that the new series sounds like a complete alternate reality so at least it wont be as hard to read as those two. Year Five was a terrible re-imagining of familiar TOS staples to be edgy and dark, and Mirror War was and even more outlandish attempt to shoehorn extra crap into the mirror timeline
 
agreed. the saving grace is that the new series sounds like a complete alternate reality so at least it wont be as hard to read as those two. Year Five was a terrible re-imagining of familiar TOS staples to be edgy and dark, and Mirror War was and even more outlandish attempt to shoehorn extra crap into the mirror timeline

One of the writers says in a twitter reply that it is actual universe, not an alternate, set between end of DS9 and Nemesis. (He also uses the dreaded c-word):
https://twitter.com/IDWPublishing/status/1563261953761349635/photo/1
 
One of the writers says in a twitter reply that it is actual universe, not an alternate, set between end of DS9 and Nemesis. (He also uses the dreaded c-word):
My initial thought, reading your post, was he was using "canon" in a shorthand way to mean that it was Prime Universe, but then reading the tweet, I saw that using it in that way was redundant.

It's possible this writer doesn't know that Star Trek tie-ins are always and automatically non-canon. It's possible he's interpreting CBS Licensing approving the series as being more significant than it really is.

It's also possible CBS has finally wised up that it's 2022, other IP holders have expansive multimedia storytelling that spans both in-house and licensed products, media consumption is more fragmented than ever before, and treating licensee product as automatically dismissible does a disservice to their partners and the investments they're making.

The use of "dreaded c-word" is most likely ignorance or an overreading of the usual approvals process, but I really can't rule out a quiet policy change. Sure, I'd rate the odds of that quiet policy change as less than 3%, but again, it's 2022, and the entertainment landscape today is wildly different than it was when Richard Arnold defined canon.
 
Even TV Trek itself is more vague about canon than ever before. Does SNW fit seamlessly with TOS? No chance. It's basically a reboot, making all the kinds of changes reboots do to ethnicities and characterisations reboots do while still being referenced as part of the same universe as the direct sequel shows like Picard, because people apparently love the interconnectedness of it all.

(cue a million replies about how it all fits perfectly just because, but my point is made)
 
Even TV Trek itself is more vague about canon than ever before. Does SNW fit seamlessly with TOS? No chance.

It fits with TOS about as well as TOS fit with TOS. They were making the damn thing up as they went. It changed all the time. James R. became James T., Vulcanians became Vulcans, UESPA became Starfleet, female yeomen went from nominally rare to ubiquitous, Kirk's three nephews became one nephew, Leslie died and was fine the next week, etc. We've just had decades to rationalize away all the contradictions within TOS, and between TOS and the movies, and between TOS and TNG, and so on. And people will do the same with SNW, just as they've always done.
 
even without a Richard Arnold micromanaging things, there seems to be a lack of competent review of the comic series. while some aspects of the Year Five series were impressive in putting a modern and progressive spin on TOS, it collapsed under its own weight and turned into a farce of violence, and was not a pleasant read. As to the Mirror debacle - well - overplaying one's hand writing for the Mirror versions of characters should be tough, but they managed it.

It is almost like there's no one checking the IDW books over to see if the inner pages deserve to carry the brand "Star Trek" on the cover. quite the pendulum swing from 30yrs ago when they'd use white-out over minor references on pages they disliked
 
My initial thought, reading your post, was he was using "canon" in a shorthand way to mean that it was Prime Universe, but then reading the tweet, I saw that using it in that way was redundant.

It's possible this writer doesn't know that Star Trek tie-ins are always and automatically non-canon. It's possible he's interpreting CBS Licensing approving the series as being more significant than it really is.

It's also possible CBS has finally wised up that it's 2022, other IP holders have expansive multimedia storytelling that spans both in-house and licensed products, media consumption is more fragmented than ever before, and treating licensee product as automatically dismissible does a disservice to their partners and the investments they're making.

The use of "dreaded c-word" is most likely ignorance or an overreading of the usual approvals process, but I really can't rule out a quiet policy change. Sure, I'd rate the odds of that quiet policy change as less than 3%, but again, it's 2022, and the entertainment landscape today is wildly different than it was when Richard Arnold defined canon.

https://twitter.com/paulverhoeven/status/1563401372053405697
https://twitter.com/JacksonLanzing/status/1563665054330937344

There is an exchange about the canon bit there.
 
Which is basically just an over complicated way of saying it's not canon.

Except the exact same thing is true of canon. Even canon is only canon until it's not. Bobby Ewing was dead until he wasn't. Data had emotions until he didn't. Reed Richards was a World War II veteran until he wasn't. Superman III and Terminator III happened until later movies said they didn't.

People have got to get over the myth that canon is some sort of guarantee of permanence. Every canon is still just a set of stories, and stories are imaginary constructs, which means they can be reimagined.

Of course, that doesn't mean those people are correct to say the comics are canon, which of course they aren't. It just means that canon vs. not-canon doesn't matter that much. You can assume any tie-in story is part of the canon continuity if you want, until the canon contradicts it. That's the whole goal that tie-ins always aspire to, to tell stories that could happen in canon as far as is known at the time they're written. But it's never a guarantee that they'll stay consistent, because any active canon is a living, growing thing and can change over time.
 
Except the exact same thing is true of canon. Even canon is only canon until it's not. Bobby Ewing was dead until he wasn't. Data had emotions until he didn't. Reed Richards was a World War II veteran until he wasn't. Superman III and Terminator III happened until later movies said they didn't.

People have got to get over the myth that canon is some sort of guarantee of permanence. Every canon is still just a set of stories, and stories are imaginary constructs, which means they can be reimagined.

Of course, that doesn't mean those people are correct to say the comics are canon, which of course they aren't. It just means that canon vs. not-canon doesn't matter that much. You can assume any tie-in story is part of the canon continuity if you want, until the canon contradicts it. That's the whole goal that tie-ins always aspire to, to tell stories that could happen in canon as far as is known at the time they're written. But it's never a guarantee that they'll stay consistent, because any active canon is a living, growing thing and can change over time.


I also think too many people confuse 'canon' with 'continuity." I know I've done that myself at times. Canon is just a thing. The product. In Star Trek's case it's anything on screen. Canon can mean different things to different forms of entertainment. The band Chicago uses the word 'canon' to describe their albums officially released by the band, it does not include other releases.

Continuity is a different and unique issue. I think many times when people talk about canon they really mean continuity. Like Data having some emotions that disappeared later, that's a continuity issue, not really a canon one (except that the inconsistency happened within the 'canon', and not say between a show and a tie-in). And even then the continuity discrepancy might be more important to some people than others. For instance I had huge issues with the spore drive in Discovery. Others didn't see it as big of an issue. You've noted about Data's emotions early on, I don't really see that as much of an issue. So that can vary from individual. And there are some that seem to be more agreed upon (though that happens infrequently in Star Trek fandom, LOL).
 
I also think too many people confuse 'canon' with 'continuity." I know I've done that myself at times. Canon is just a thing. The product. In Star Trek's case it's anything on screen. Canon can mean different things to different forms of entertainment. The band Chicago uses the word 'canon' to describe their albums officially released by the band, it does not include other releases.

What people don't get is that canon is about authorship, not content. The canon is what comes from the creators, as opposed to emulations from outside creators like tie-in or fanfiction authors. Where the continuity comes in is that it's easier for a single creator or set of creators to keep their work consistent than it is for outsiders to keep up with their changes.
 
What people don't get is that canon is about authorship, not content. The canon is what comes from the creators, as opposed to emulations from outside creators like tie-in or fanfiction authors. Where the continuity comes in is that it's easier for a single creator or set of creators to keep their work consistent than it is for outsiders to keep up with their changes.

Yeah, that's fair. I just think of continuity as the storyline. I noted in the past I've followed the litverse storyline as part of the continuity I follow, even though I know that's not considered canon. So 'canon' is less important to me as a fan. In fact, I think in the past some have noted fans really shouldn't be worried about canon at all. It's basically only you guys in tie ins I think that probably have to be aware of it, and only because you can't really contradict it (at least without some sort of ok from the PTB's). Showrunners seem to try to stick to the continuity in canon for the most part as well, even though they don't really have to, in that case they just choose to in many cases.
 
Star Trek Picard: Stargazer #1
Alternate Cover
(W) Mike Johnson (A/CA) Angel Hernandez
Embark on a never-before-seen journey set between seasons two and three of the Paramount+ hit series Star Trek: Picard! When the U.S.S. Stargazer goes missing near a planet from his past, Admiral Jean Luc-Picard enlists Seven's help to unravel the mystery and save the Stargazer crew!
In Shops: Aug 24, 2022
The first issue of this is out today. There are some surprising callbacks, and something happens that doesn't square with the 24th-century history we know. Also, more Laris, and that's always good.
 
The first issue of this is out today. There are some surprising callbacks, and something happens that doesn't square with the 24th-century history we know. Also, more Laris, and that's always good.

Yes I loved it. Probably the best thing IDW has released in years. I especially loved seeing my favorite part of Picard: No Man’s Land. And I guess the “thing that doesn’t quite square” is supposed to work because it was classified? Not too clean a case, but at least they tried to make it work.
 
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