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Spoilers Game Of Thrones’ Spinoff ‘House Of The Dragons’ ordered to series

Saul said:
It's a fine episode and all but I think I'm a bit fatigued by this world and the gruesomeness in general. A particular scene in the middle was just horrible and showed more than it really needed too. Maybe I'm just getting old about such things but there doesn't feel to be anything all that new here other than a bunch of characters I haven't invested myself in yet. Will see how things go, it might make a better binge watch like GOT did.
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Not having seen this episode, I do understand your sentiment. I feel that many shows these days tend to up the violence, gore and nudity. I don't mind any of those. But they're doing it not to convey a sense of dread, or sensuality. Just to scream 'look at how cool we are for daring to do all this'. Whatever.
 
Mage said:
Not having seen this episode, I do understand your sentiment. I feel that many shows these days tend to up the violence, gore and nudity. I don't mind any of those. But they're doing it not to convey a sense of dread, or sensuality. Just to scream 'look at how cool we are for daring to do all this'. Whatever.
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I think the birth scene was there to convey a sense of dread and horror at the idea of birth "at any cost". The showrunners had allowed a group of women to view it before the series' premiere. Many stated that in compared to real life birth, it wasn't violent and horrifying enough.
 
Not much to say except...

The good
  • Dragons
  • Matt Smith
  • Sonoya Mizuno (what little we saw of her)
  • Graham McTavish
The bad
  • Lacking all of the great qualities of Game of Thrones (such as fascinating characters from the get go) and embracing all of the show's worst impulses (gratuitous sex and violence)
  • No opening sequence (in fact, the closing theme is just the Game of Thrones theme)
The ugly
  • The unnecessary and excessively graphic violent childbirth sequence
I'll keep watching for now but it has a very steep hill to climb after just this first episode.
 
The Nth Doctor said:
Not much to say except...

The good
  • Sonoya Mizuno (what little we saw of her)
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idk, we saw quite a lot of her
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Oh also, if you're going to talk about material from the books that have covered this era, maybe spoiler tag those with a warning that says they're from the books.
 
How many Targaryens died of tetanus do you all think?


So they obviously had a much bigger budget this time around, but the story and actors weren't nearly as interesting. Also, I feel like they doubled down on the gore (pointlessly so, that Tournament seemed to be more like stereotypical movie Gladiator fights than a tournament) since they made a big deal of not being as exploitative with the sex now after complaints in the first show.

Shows like this, they should have released the first two episodes at once. Too much world building & exposition in a pilot for a series like this, need the second episode to get some movement. Especially after all the bad feelings with the end of GoT I can see a lot of people checking out after seeing the pilot just out of curiosity.
 
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I’m onboard with the first episode, let’s see where this takes us. But it was a major cringe moment when they made a big deal out of the Tale of Ice and Fire. Seeing how badly it ended they should have minimized it, not brought more attention to it.
 
Dee1891 said:
I think the birth scene was there to convey a sense of dread and horror at the idea of birth "at any cost". The showrunners had allowed a group of women to view it before the series' premiere. Many stated that in compared to real life birth, it wasn't violent and horrifying enough.
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Like I said, I haven't seen this. I stopped watching GoT during season 3, it focused too much on gratuitous nudity and gore/violence for a wow factor.
 
The Nth Doctor said:
Not much to say except...

The good
  • Dragons
  • Matt Smith
  • Sonoya Mizuno (what little we saw of her)
  • Graham McTavish
The bad
  • Lacking all of the great qualities of Game of Thrones (such as fascinating characters from the get go) and embracing all of the show's worst impulses (gratuitous sex and violence)
  • No opening sequence (in fact, the closing theme is just the Game of Thrones theme)
The ugly
  • The unnecessary and excessively graphic violent childbirth sequence
I'll keep watching for now but it has a very steep hill to climb after just this first episode.
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Thanks for summing up my thoughts exactly. Let's see if it gets more interesting.
 
Dee1891 said:
I think the birth scene was there to convey a sense of dread and horror at the idea of birth "at any cost". The showrunners had allowed a group of women to view it before the series' premiere. Many stated that in compared to real life birth, it wasn't violent and horrifying enough.
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Yeah the birthing scene wasn't bad and served a purpose.

But the random part during the tournament where they all just decided to hack each other to pieces was silly.
As was the very sad sex scene with Daemon. I mean really? This isn't the early 2000s anymore.
 
Dee1891 said:
I think the birth scene was there to convey a sense of dread and horror at the idea of birth "at any cost". The showrunners had allowed a group of women to view it before the series' premiere. Many stated that in compared to real life birth, it wasn't violent and horrifying enough.
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I think they had pretty much expressed "at any cost" before that graphic scene and they didn't need to visualize it so much. The idea was already horrifying enough.
 
I haven't seen it yet, and not sure I'm in a huge hurry as it would currently mean signing up to Now TV to do it so might wait till it's all on there and just binge it in a month. Mainly just want to see Matt Smith.

Apologies if this has been discussed to death elsewhere but do people know much about the original GoT sequel pilot that HBO spent $30million on but ditched in favour of House of the Dragons? I believe it was written/produced by women and had a female lead in Naomi Watts. I also believe it was set much further in the past (1000 years as opposed to a few hundred)
 
Saul said:
I think they had pretty much expressed "at any cost" before that graphic scene and they didn't need to visualize it so much. The idea was already horrifying enough.
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Apparently not to the group of women who had viewed the scene before the episode aired.
 
Starkers said:
Apologies if this has been discussed to death elsewhere but do people know much about the original GoT sequel pilot that HBO spent $30million on but ditched in favour of House of the Dragons? I believe it was written/produced by women and had a female lead in Naomi Watts. I also believe it was set much further in the past (1000 years as opposed to a few hundred)
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Just for the sake of clarification, the Naomi Watts-led spinoff wasn't "abandoned in favor of House of the Dragon" because it and HotD were being developed simultaneously with no guarantees as to which project - if either of them - would get a green-light.
 
I viewed a reaction video to the first episode on YouTube that cut out the nudity, sex and violence, which I wouldn't have been interested in watching anyway. I did see enough to convince me it's not for me. The characters seem uninteresting and the dialogue is corny. I'll pass for now unless I hear it gets better. However, having been burned by the lame ending of GoT, it'll have to get a lot better.
 
Starkers said:
Apologies if this has been discussed to death elsewhere but do people know much about the original GoT sequel pilot that HBO spent $30million on but ditched in favour of House of the Dragons? I believe it was written/produced by women and had a female lead in Naomi Watts. I also believe it was set much further in the past (1000 years as opposed to a few hundred)
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Good article here about HOTD but also about the various options and pitches that HBO considered here in the aftermath of the original show: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/t...e-dragon-game-of-thrones-prequels-1235181929/
 
Tuskin38 said:
All the people in this thread that liked it don't matter?

Don't judge a show on a single episode, that's a terrible idea.
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Some people like "tits and dragons" as Ian McShane put it. Both of those are available separately elsewhere.

From what I saw, it looked gratuitously and sensationally nasty with no redemptive qualities. If this season improves, I can wait until it's over to watch it as I did with GOT - but that sucked in the last couple of seasons so badly that I've never wanted to watch it again.
 
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