Isn't part of it that he can't really believe that his parents would have done what they did - they were too big a pair of screwups in his mind.
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Isn't part of it that he can't really believe that his parents would have done what they did - they were too big a pair of screwups in his mind.
Ok, but why his so-called "friends" believe that there was some kind of cover-up? If I remember correctly, for the general public his parents were textbook astronauts.
Cos it's the type of people they are. In our world they'd be doubting the man landed on the moon in the first place.
In light of Nichelle Nichols' passing, I finally watched her documentary Woman in Motion which is about how she became a very important recruiter for NASA in the late 70s at a crucial moment for the shuttle program. I found myself not just reflecting on the level of impact she had on the space program in our world, but also how that contrasted with the For All Mankind world where women and people of color had already become deeply involved by that point because of the divergence in their history. It also left me aching yet again how far behind we are in our world in the space program, even without thinking about the pipedream that is For All Mankind (the Danny/Jimmy melodramas aside).
Do we know how long they’ve been in space thus far? I know that they were supposed to be on two year missions (were all three crews supposed to be there that long). What I’m not sure of is whether it was two years in total or two years on Mars. Doesn’t it take 13 months just to get to Mars?
On the question of why Kelly wouldn’t be on birth control, there is an argument to be made that this wasn’t something that NASA or Kelly foresaw going into the mission. Remember, each team trained with each other for two years prior to departure. The crews were small. Had there been any inclining that there was the possibility of relations between the members, that might have come up before they left. The same is true of the Soviet mission as well. It wasn’t something that either NASA or Roscosmos saw as likely given the crew makeup. However, no one would have anticipated at the start that the race would turn into a joint mission. The joint mission changed everything especially for crew dynamics. The Helios mission is the one where I could see that birth control might have been needed. It was a larger crew that probably didn’t have the same controls in place from the perspective of selecting the crew.
I think the 13 months was for the supplies to get there because they were launching in 1992 and sending it to Venus to slingshot around to Mars. The actual ships that launched were getting there a log faster on a direct route.
I believe they said the launch window to Mars from Earth in 1994 was a couple of weeks in September. So they all launched about the same time.
Shortly after Helios and the Russians decide to partner up for the water and it's leaked to the press about the water one of the conspiracy crew with Jimmy is reading a Houston newspaper and the date is March 27, 1995. This is after they've landed and been on Mars for at least a few days, if not longer. So if they took off in September of 1994 and got to Mars by March of 1995. So something along 5 to 6 months of space flight.
The capabilities of their ships may be better than current technology because they have that 'Helium-3' fuel source discovered.
I'm not 100% sure on the launch window, because googling shows that September to early October was a launch window in 1992 and the Mars launch windows is about every 25 to 26 months. So that would have put 1994 more as a November launch. Which would actually mean they made it there in 3 to 4 months.
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And in this case, what is their version of what is really happened?
They went over all of this in the scene where Jimmy first met them at the protest. This is mostly unattributed dialog, it's from a website that just puts up the closed captions, but you get the idea.
The US and USSR governments secretly decided to sell out the little people back on Earth to get rich off of helium-3 on the moon, and staged the attack on Jamestown and near-World War to scare people into being grateful that they weren't competing anymore, rather than being upset that their leaders had sold the noble coal miners and oil drillers out to some new world order, one world government conspiracy. There's probably some Agenda 21 and Flat Earth stuff in there, too. This really isn't that different from the real world's "global warming is a Chinese hoax to get the US to throw away all their oil and not be able to fight a war" conspiracy stuff.
Powerful episode. Loved Ellen's speech and Will Tyler's reaction. It will be interesting to see the repercussions of it though, but it was really well done. I also appreciated we only got a few storylines and it was pretty straight forward. I think this being one of the shortest episodes of the series helped make things a little tighter.
Yay for Ellen finally doing the right thing!
Yay for the Pam cameo, hope we still get to see her - still shipping them.
Yay for Tyler and his newfound friend
Ugh, hope Kelly and kid pull trough
Nay for Helios boardroom maneuvers. Rooting for Dev now!
Nay for Aleida being pissed at Bill. Shouldn't have told him then...
Chekhov's rocket...
Yay for the Pam cameo, hope we still get to see her - still shipping them.
Yay for Tyler and his newfound friend
Ugh, hope Kelly and kid pull trough
Nay for Helios boardroom maneuvers. Rooting for Dev now!
Nay for Aleida being pissed at Bill. Shouldn't have told him then...
Chekhov's rocket...
How did survive that long in such a small thing (air, food, water?! one way mission? 7 minutes of hell landing?)
so many questions?
so many questions?
I thought the Aleida storyline took a turn for the worse with this episode. It was pretty good up to now, but if she didn't want to go to the authorities, she shouldn't have told Bill, and it may come to a point where she will have no choice. With one episode left, I wonder what they are going to do with it. I like the idea of bringing Margo down like what happened to Van Braun, but overall it just seemed like this storyline is starting to hit a wall.
Wow, that was an intense and powerful episode. From Ellen finally coming out and Will getting the long overdue validation he deserved (and reconciliation with Rolan) to Aleida desperately trying to figure out what to do about Margo's blatant betrayal and Kelly's sudden, terrifying collapse.
Oh, yeah, and North Korea is secretly on Mars. WHAT. Definitely didn't see that coming.
This was the show at its absolute finest. Dealing with scientific perils, visions for better futures, and dreams of reaching even further out to the stars. And none of the dumb bullshit that has weighed down too much of this season (although Danny missed his singular chance to redeem himself and he blew it).
It's a small thing but my heart broke for Bill. Just minutes before, during the garage scenes, I reflected on how far he and Aleida had gone and I was so happy to see her trust him with this terrifying decision, even admitting (ever so casually) that she suspected and eliminated him as a possible spy. I understand Bill's perspective and why he tried to get Aleida to get the FBI involved, but I also get why she hates them so much. It's very much a damned if you, damned if you don't situation and Bill took the path that damaged their long friendship while trying to serve his country the best way he could. I don't see them coming back from that, even if and when Aleida properly confronts Margo about the truth.
I was actually happy that Larry had chosen to fall on his sword and that it was idea, even if I had been yelling at him for several minutes to do it before he finally arrived on it. But I'm further happy that it finally pushed Ellen to do the right, even if it shouldn't have taken saving Larry's sorry ass (and NASA, by the by) to get her have that courage. Fuck you, Dick Cheney, and your vileness. Yeah, I know he's going to go after Ellen for this, but fuck his machinations on this count.
I know this wasn't part of Dev's point but I couldn't help but chuckle at his original Jamestown tale about them possibly deciding to go back to England after things got tough. I immediately thought "Well, if they had done that, entire cultures wouldn't have been eradicated. You know, the people who were there before Europeans." Yeah, that wasn't his point but I couldn't help thinking that. But hey, Karen is in charge so I guess it doesn't matter!
There's going to be a lot of ground to cover next week and I'm not sure how it's all going to go done in just 45 minutes. Hopefully it'll be a bit longer than that because I feel like it's going to be tight. No matter what, I can't wait!
Oh, yeah, and North Korea is secretly on Mars. WHAT. Definitely didn't see that coming.
This was the show at its absolute finest. Dealing with scientific perils, visions for better futures, and dreams of reaching even further out to the stars. And none of the dumb bullshit that has weighed down too much of this season (although Danny missed his singular chance to redeem himself and he blew it).
It's a small thing but my heart broke for Bill. Just minutes before, during the garage scenes, I reflected on how far he and Aleida had gone and I was so happy to see her trust him with this terrifying decision, even admitting (ever so casually) that she suspected and eliminated him as a possible spy. I understand Bill's perspective and why he tried to get Aleida to get the FBI involved, but I also get why she hates them so much. It's very much a damned if you, damned if you don't situation and Bill took the path that damaged their long friendship while trying to serve his country the best way he could. I don't see them coming back from that, even if and when Aleida properly confronts Margo about the truth.
I was actually happy that Larry had chosen to fall on his sword and that it was idea, even if I had been yelling at him for several minutes to do it before he finally arrived on it. But I'm further happy that it finally pushed Ellen to do the right, even if it shouldn't have taken saving Larry's sorry ass (and NASA, by the by) to get her have that courage. Fuck you, Dick Cheney, and your vileness. Yeah, I know he's going to go after Ellen for this, but fuck his machinations on this count.
I know this wasn't part of Dev's point but I couldn't help but chuckle at his original Jamestown tale about them possibly deciding to go back to England after things got tough. I immediately thought "Well, if they had done that, entire cultures wouldn't have been eradicated. You know, the people who were there before Europeans." Yeah, that wasn't his point but I couldn't help thinking that. But hey, Karen is in charge so I guess it doesn't matter!
There's going to be a lot of ground to cover next week and I'm not sure how it's all going to go done in just 45 minutes. Hopefully it'll be a bit longer than that because I feel like it's going to be tight. No matter what, I can't wait!
Next week's episode is listed at an hour and 21 minutes, so they do have time.
Given the parties involved, I’m pretty sure that’s actually Dick Gephardt.
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