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And that is a very strong argument that the Federation's decision to exclude cultures that practice genetic augmentation from Federation Membership is unjust. But, if it is is an unjust decision, it is an unjust decision that the Federation makes on the basis of a choice these societies have made for themselves, not on the basis of "who and what they are."
There can be agreement here for I found this. A founding member left the Federation over augmentations... It seems a founding member left because of Human bigotry towards arguments. Why would a founding member leave?
Star Trek: Typhon Pact #4: Paths of Disharmony - Another scenario where Andor leaves the UFP, this time after a global referendum on whether to remain (prompted by the UFP's stance on Genetic Engineering).
There can be agreement here for I found this. A founding member left the Federation over augmentations... It seems a founding member left because of Human bigotry towards arguments. Why would a founding member leave?
Sorry for this question, maybe because of my limited English, but what is the different between Augment and Cyborg? Are they the same or are they different?
Sorry for this question, maybe because of my limited English, but what is the different between Augment and Cyborg? Are they the same or are they different?
Now hold on here. When you say, "Star Trek promotes bigotry," that is a metatextual statement. That is not a description of events occurring within the fictional narrative; it is an evaluation of what impact a work of fiction is having on the real world by sending messages to its audience.
But if your support for the claim "Star Trek promotes bigotry" is to cite a fictional group of people who practice something that is physically impossible, then you're not describing Star Trek's impact on the real world. You're describing events within a fictional narrative.
So which is it? Are you saying that Star Trekdepicts bigotry, or are you saying that Star Trekpromotes bigotry?
Why are you bringing up Vulcan bigotries against Humans? It has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and it is consistently depicted as a bad thing. And "It does both depicts" -- the grammar here is unclear. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. In the words of T'Pring, "You are failing to communicate effectively."
The Vulcan distain for humans reeks in Enterprise episodes. I am surprised we stated allies with them as time went by and we became a Spacefaring power.
I think Star Trek: Enterprise was pretty clear that United Earth was a client state of the Vulcan government in a neo-imperialist system and that the launch of the NX-01 represented the end of Vulcan dominance of United Earth's government.
The New Worlds like I have mention Pike and Spoke were proud the Illyrians wanted to change their being to join the Federation
You have cited no evidence whatsoever of Federation persecution of, or self-hatred on the part of, that Illyrian colony. You literally just made that up.
In New Worlds, when Una confesses her Illyrian heritage to Pike and Pike speaks up for her, She reminds him that even he can go to jail for helping her or showing support. Starfleet way past bigotry. Its on to prosecution if she feared for Pike...
No one is arguing that Star Trek is not depicting bigotry on the part of mainstream Federation culture against genetically augmented characters in that episode. The characters pretty much call that out most of the time it is depicted.
But that is not the same as promoting bigotry. You keep saying that Star Trek promotes bigotry because it depicts bigotry. But depiction is not promotion. When Snidley Whip-Lash ties Nell Fenwick to the train tracks in Dudley Do-Right of the Mounties, the narrative is not promoting tying women to train tracks.
SNW "Ghosts of Illyria," DS9 "Dr. Bashir, I Presume?," and DS9 "Statistical Probabilities" all depict the Federation's ban on genetic engineering as a deeply ambivalent thing at best and as an outright negative thing at worst. To claim that Star Trek is "promoting" bigotry against genetically engineered people by depicting bigotry against genetically engineered people is an argument you have failed to support.
And, once again: It is impossible for real people to be bigoted against people who do not exist. There is no such thing as genetically augmented persons in real life. There are no Augments to be bigoted against!
Not in the New World , or Original Star Trek , or Next Generation they all think the bigotry is okay... Deep Space Nine questions it because of the doctor...
SNW "Ghosts of Illyria" depicts the Federation's ban on genetic engineering in the most negative light, even moreso than DS9.
You cannot rationally accuse TOS or TNG of promoting bigotry against genetically engineered people by depicting it as an okay thing, because the idea of the ban had not yet been created. The idea that the Federation bans genetic engineering was invented by writer Ronald D. Moore when he wrote the teleplay for "Dr. Bashir, I Presume?" in 1997. At no point during the production of TOS or TNG was the ban depicted -- the idea had not been invented. So, no, TOS and TNG do not depict Federation bigotry against Augments as a good thing, because TOS and TNG do not depict how the Federation reacts to Augments in any respect.
There can be agreement here for I found this. A founding member left the Federation over augmentations... It seems a founding member left because of Human bigotry towards arguments. Why would a founding member leave?
Those books are both part of the ongoing continuity of the Star Trek novels published between about 2000 and 2021, a continuity now referred to as the "First Splinter" continuity as of the publication of the last books set in that continuity, the Star Trek: Coda trilogy. The First Splinter continuity was contradicted by the backstory established in Star Trek: Picard season 1; the PIC backstory is canonical and is incompatible with the First Splinter continuity, so books in that continuity are no longer being published.
The Eternal Tide, as I said above, is set in continuity with Paths of Disharmony; Andor left the Federation for the reasons depicted in the latter book.
Star Trek: Typhon Pact #4: Paths of Disharmony - Another scenario where Andor leaves the UFP, this time after a global referendum on whether to remain (prompted by the UFP's stance on Genetic Engineering).
No, that is a false summary of the plot. In point of fact, Paths of Disharmony was part of an ongoing plot about a reproductive crisis being experienced by the Andorians. Previous books, including the Mission: Gamma miniseries, depicted the Andorians and the Federation as authorizing the use of genetic engineering technology to try to enable the Andorians to increase their reproductive rate to avoid extinction. In fact, the Andorians were engaging in just such a genetic engineering project at the start of Paths of Disharmony, using genetic engineering to insert alien DNA into Andorians' genes in order to treat the reproductive inability.
The real reason Andor seceded was because of reactionary propaganda. Andorian reactionaries who felt threatened by the idea of using genetic engineering to insert alien DNA into the Andorian genome to treat the reproductive crisis had developed into an extremist, anti-alien movement called the Treishya. Some of the Treishya were willing to launch terrorist attacks on Starfleet and on non-Andorians on Andor in retaliation for the use of genetic engineering to treat the reproductive crisis.
The Tholian Assembly, having newly joined an alliance with the Romulans, Breen, Gorn, Tzenkethi, and Kinshaya called the Typhon Pact, decided to take advantage of the rise of anti-alien bigotry on Andor to try to drive a wedge between the Andorians and the Federation. Tholian Intelligence publicly revealed to the Andorians that the Federation had encountered even more advanced genetic engineering technologies a century earlier as part of a suite of extremely dangerous alien technologies, but that the information had been sitting in a vault, classified and unknown to the present-day UFP President. (That same technology had inadvertently led to the destruction of Ceti Alpha IV and almost led to an apocalyptic war, hence it being buried.)
This revelation enraged a large percentage of the Andorian population, even those who hadn't been part of the Treishya. New elections are held, the Treishya win a plurality of votes in the Parliament Andoria, and the Andorian Empire formally secedes from the Federation against the wishes of a large segment of the population.
So, you see, Andor does not secede because the Federation bans genetic engineering. Quite the opposite. It seceded because reactionaries spread false propaganda about information released by a foreign intelligence agency in an attempt to manipulate public opinion.
(For the record, Paths of Disharmony was published in 2011, half a decade before Brexit.)
Sorry for this question, maybe because of my limited English, but what is the different between Augment and Cyborg? Are they the same or are they different?
As @fireproof78 noted, cyborg refers to a person who has mechanical elements inserted into their bodies. It is a real word in English, and in real life you could refer to people who have machines inserted into their bodies -- pacemakers or continuous glucose monitors, for instance -- as cyborgs, although it would be kind of unusual though not inaccurate.
In the world of Star Trek, Augment is a term for people (usually Humans) who have been genetically modified in some way outside of therapeutic treatments for illness. (The term was invented for the Star Trek: Enterprise episodes "Borderland," "Cold Station 12," and "The Augments" in 2004. Before that, Star Trek had just referred to genetically modified persons as genetically modified or engineered persons, with no one word for them.)
To be clear, Augment is only used to refer to genetically-enhanced people in the world of Star Trek. It is not a common term to refer to genetically-enhanced people in real life or even in most other fiction.
Yep! He is technically a cyborg. I am technically a cyborg because I use a continuous glucose monitor -- although as I said, that would be an unusual word choice though technically accurate.
post-humanism has been Star Trek's achiille's heel. As real-life post-humanism begins to occur, and human abilities surpass the species limitations, it will make the show less and less relatable. A pity, it is something they could tackle.
humans have been upgrading themselves from the moment they wore clothing to push into colder climates, made shoes to walk longer distances, used walking sticks, made false teeth, started wearing eyeglasses, etc.
I have an inernal autu-defibrulator that has a blue-tooth interface. I can use it to keep track of my battery level (needs changing in 4 years), and keeps a long record of my heart and any abnormal functions, the last one was 2019. It uploads every few days, if i choose, to my doctor. I guess I am a cyborg too.
It would be one thing if we saw just how awful and widespread the Eugenics Wars were, as far as the UFP's near panic over genetic mods (and how that affected not just earth but every subsequent system that joined). But we've NEVER seen it. We know WW3 was some sort of nation/factional war. We know some sort of civil war led to it. But time travellers have been all over the 90's and early 20th century and not once sign of that war has been found. As catastrophes go, it seems mild.
