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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

There's a lot of talk on other forums that it's possibly Cavill who's holding out at this point, not WB. That he isn't happy with the amount of money or the extent to which WB is actually willing to commit to the character and he doesn't feel a need to negotiate because he's doing fine with the Witcher.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Cavill is at least partially holding out for a measure of control in regards to the direction of the character. I think past interviews have maybe shown that he doesn't completely agree with some of the decisions made thus far.
 
I actually think this scene -- from J. Michael Straczynski's much-maligned "Grounded" arc, of all places -- handles the situation better and more affectingly:

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He should just tell her to jump off a building in the next town over. Then the suicide would be "over there"...
 
Just get Tyler Hoechlin to do any potential Superman movie. It'll be like the good ole days of Tom Welling/Brandon Routh, but going in the opposite direction.
 
Superman stays with her for hours, from day into night, just being with her till she's ready to talk.

And this only after she demands he not catch her if she jumps, and he agrees. Would he have held to that promise? Not sure -- I tend to think yes, but it would have shattered him in agonizing fashion. Luckily for him, her, and us, he's able to reach her.

I'm guessing he would have kept his word literally and used super breath to make an air cushion or something.

It's also racist as hell, opening with narration praising the "wise" US government's decision to force Japanese-Americans into concentration camps./QUOTE]

Jesus...

I'm bummed there was nothing about Supergirl (which they're apparently marketing as "The Flash" for some unfathomable reason).

I feel sorry for every one involved in the Flash movie at this point, but especially her: a young actress getting her big break playing a super hero, always seems so excited in interviews. Then the star of the movie goes so very far off the rails.

I'm through with the DCEU. And I've barely any interest in the MCU these days. I think Hollywood should give comic book movies a break. I think both franchises are going down the toilet, creativity wise.

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Please list some of these "absolute facts" you mention.

PLEASE don't encourage them...
 
I'm guessing he would have kept his word literally and used super breath to make an air cushion or something.
Well, what he actually promises is that he won't "stop" her if she jumps:

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I think his stricken hesitation there kind of says it all. It's a matter of trust -- the terms of their agreement. I don't feel like a clever bit of literalism or some other loophole would really honor the spirit of his pledge to her. Again, I tend to think he means what he says, with the greatest and most painful reluctance, but prays he won't have to prove it.
 
From what you posted, I think he was just confident enough that she wouldn't actually jump, that he said just to make her feel like he wasn't trying to force a choice on her that he knew she was going to make on her own.
@JD I think you need to look up the actual definition of the word "cartoonish" because it doesn't mean what you think it means.

I did, and I still stand by my point. It's highly insulting to cartoons, which have come a long way in the last few decades.
 
From what you posted, I think he was just confident enough that she wouldn't actually jump, that he said just to make her feel like he wasn't trying to force a choice on her that he knew she was going to make on her own.
Agreed, I imagine he was fairly confident he wouldn't have to make that ultimate choice. Still, there was the possibility, which is part of what gives the scene its stakes and its power.
 
I did, and I still stand by my point. It's highly insulting to cartoons, which have come a long way in the last few decades.

There were always some cartoons that were more sophisticated and adult-oriented than others. Back in the '60s, Jonny Quest, The Flintstones, and The Jetsons were made for prime time. The classic theatrical cartoons of the '40s and '50s were made with both children and adults in mind and often contained racy or topical humor that went over children's heads. And of course, other countries like Japan never had the American stereotype that "cartoons are just for kids" and have always made animation that was more adult-oriented.

So it's not so much that animation itself has changed as that the public perception of it as a legitimate medium has become more common. Though of course, the stereotype persists.
 
Cartoon pretty clearly means "catoon like", and is being used as a negative, which is what I object to.
 
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