Sony Spider-Verse discussion thread

[JD]

Apparently.



The wiping out of predators like wolves wasn't mostly due to overhunting by trophy or food hunters, but due to the danger they posed to livestock.

OK, that's probably true, so I apologize for my mistake.

And in the meantime the deer population still needs to be controlled.

And there are ways to do that that don't involve hunting.

"Has to hunt" or "prefers hunting"?

Has to hunt.

And no serious, ethical hunter will have anything but scorn for canned hunting, which I'd never even heard of before.

I think most ethical people would feel that way. As much as I don't like it, I can maybe see where some people can enjoy tracking down and hunting an animal in the wild, but I really don't get going after animals who are in captivity.

At the risk of sounding insensitive does it matter? If a hunter is a conservationist does their motivation change anything?

As long as they're still hunting, I don't really see where it does

Most hunters do attempt to aim for a quick clean kill whenever possible. Unless you're a vegetarian your food is coming from somewhere. I don't see how a hunt is worse than a slaughterhouse.

You mean the ones they kill and eat I assume? I mean what's the difference between hunting for food and buying ground beef at the supermarket? It's the natural cycle.

I'm vegetarian, and working on trying to go vegan. I've completely given up meat, but I'm still working on giving up dairy. It's for purely ethical reasons, I've been following some farm sanctuaries on Instgram, and even visited a local one, and after that there is just no way I can eat meat. I'm also aware of how absolutely horrible the dairy industry is for the cows, so working on trying to give up as much dairy as I can.

Yes they are. This is what is known in writing circles as "motivation".
People that *need* to hunt for food don't care about trophies; they're too busy not starving to death. People that eat their trophies are still trophy hunters.
There is of course a third category; people that can easily feed themselves the same way everyone else does, but hunts for meat anyway because it's fun, with or without trophies. Those are what I like to call "arseholes".

Pretty much my feelings as well.

 

[Thestral]

OK, that's probably true, so I apologize for my mistake.

All good. The livestock industry really does have a lot to answer for (he says, while considering ordering a burger).

And there are ways to do that that don't involve hunting.

Curious, what do you have in mind that don't involve killing the overpopulation?

I think most ethical people would feel that way. As much as I don't like it, I can maybe see where some people can enjoy tracking down and hunting an animal in the wild, but I really don't get going after animals who are in captivity.

I'm vegetarian, and working on trying to go vegan. It's for purely ethical reasons

That's fair enough then. Do you have the same condemnation for non-hunters that claim to care for animals but still eat meat?

 

[JD]

All good. The livestock industry really does have a lot to answer for (he says, while considering ordering a burger).

I'm glad to see you are able to recognize that.

Curious, what do you have in mind that don't involve killing the overpopulation?

The Salt River Wild Horse Management Group has been having a lot of success with darting the horses with contraceptive drugs. Maybe something like that might work with deer.

That's fair enough then. Do you have the same condemnation for non-hunters that claim to care for animals but still eat meat?

Not at all, I've cared about animals all my life, but just went vegatarian in the last year or two. I just couldn't eat animals any more after seeing just how emotional, and how much personality so many of the cows, pigs, and goats I was watching on IG had. I was walking through the grocery store a few months after I started following the first couple sanctuaries and as I was looking at the meat, all of the videos I'd been watching over the last few days started replaying in my head, and I just couldn't eat meat any more. Then visiting Farm Angels Sanctuary, and actually getting to interact with the goats, pigs, cows, ect. there, really sealed the deal for me.
And now to get back on topic.
I wonder if Kraven bombs, if that will be enough to get Sony to take another look at their approach to these movies?
I'm still confused by why they haven't gone with a Spier-Woman movie yet, she seems like the most obvious choice to me. She's a fairly popular character, and her name is close enough to Spider-Man it won't be hard to get non-comic fans to notice.

 

[The Knappos]

I honestly wouldn't be shocked if the only reason this project exists is because some exec looked at fan reactions to the villain teases at the end of No Way Home and decided the Kraven silhouette got slightly more gasps than the Rhino one.
I mean at least reimagining Rhino as an environmentalist hunt saboteur has a kind of logic to it . . . it'd still probably be awful of course, but a logical awful.

To give Sony some due, they announced Kraven long enough ago that Taylor-Johnson was cast in May 2021, before anyone had seen No Way Home.

 

[dupersuper]

Kraven isn't going to eat Spider-Man.

Don't give Sony any ideas...

 

[Samurai8472]

Supposedly the script has leaked

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1542512194717306882


EDIT- Looks to be fake

 

[JD]

OK, so if this is legit they're making some pretty big changes from the comics. It seems like kind of a weird direction to take the character from the comics in since it kind of goes against his/their whole deal.
From a purely story perspective, it didn't sound that bad, but as an adaptation of this specific character, it's very different.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Supposedly the script has leaked

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1542512194717306882

WTGAF?!?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

*insert Fry shocked GIF here*

 

[Reverend]

And now it's gone. That was certainly a real rollercoaster of a five whole seconds scrolling through.

 

[StCoop]

It was fake.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Also not surprising.

But it says a lot about Sony that the fake script read like something Sony would do and none of us questioned it.

 

[kirk55555]

We're at the point where I'd honestly believe that joke Jared Leto made with a script for Morbius 2 called "Its Morbin' Time" wasn't a joke and is actually a planned sequel, because Sony's non-MCU related stuff is completely off the rails at this point (although hopefully the rerelease of Morbius in theaters making no money will get even the extremely stubborn Sony to abandon a sequel).

 

[DigificWriter]

it says a lot about Sony that the fake script read like something Sony would do and none of us questioned it

What it says is that people are both incredibly gullible and incredibly cynical slash stupid and have zero respect for or ability to understand the concept of adaptation and a studio's right to the creative freedoms inherently associated with it.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Just mostly cynical, which is understandable considering mountains of damning evidence.

 

[DigificWriter]

Just mostly cynical, which is understandable considering mountains of damning evidence.

A studio's right to the creative freedoms inherently associated with the concept and process of adaptation doesn't disappear just because people dislike the adaptations produced, and no amount of cynicism or stupid behavior driven by cynicism will ever change that fact.

Sony has the right to adapt the character of Kraven however they **** well please, and the fact that A) some sweaty neckbeard on the Internet was dumb enough to try and use the concept and process of adaptation against them and B) other people actually fell for said attempt and endorsed the sentiment behind it says so much more about people's closed-mindedness than kt does about Sony and their creative adaptational decisions.

 

[dupersuper]

A studio's right to the creative freedoms inherently associated with the concept and process of adaptation doesn't disappear just because people dislike the adaptations produced, and no amount of cynicism or stupid behavior driven by cynicism will ever change that fact.

Sony has the right to adapt the character of Kraven however they **** well please, and the fact that A) some sweaty neckbeard on the Internet was dumb enough to try and use the concept and process of adaptation against them and B) other people actually fell for said attempt and endorsed the sentiment behind it says so much more about people's closed-mindedness than kt does about Sony and their creative adaptational decisions.

Who said they don't have the right? That doesn't mean people on the internet won't then make fun of it if they don't like it.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

A studio's right to the creative freedoms inherently associated with the concept and process of adaptation doesn't disappear just because people dislike the adaptations produced, and no amount of cynicism or stupid behavior driven by cynicism will ever change that fact.

Sony has the right to adapt the character of Kraven however they **** well please, and the fact that A) some sweaty neckbeard on the Internet was dumb enough to try and use the concept and process of adaptation against them and B) other people actually fell for said attempt and endorsed the sentiment behind it says so much more about people's closed-mindedness than kt does about Sony and their creative adaptational decisions.

Like dupersuper mentioned, I never said they didn't have the right.

By the same token, I and others have the right to criticize them heavily for what we believe is creatively bankrupt ideas.

 

[StCoop]

Sony can do whatever they want. That doesn't magically insulate them from criticism for their decisions. There's a reason the fake Kraven details sounded so believable.

 

[EnderAKH]

I don't think anyone is arguing Sony doesn't have the right to change these characters or make these movies, more that they are not doing it WELL, and continue to not learn the lessons of the past. I personally would welcome a Morbius movie done well (ie, be entertaining, not necessarily faithful to the source material) or a Kraven movie done well. It's just Sony's track record (the two ASM movies, Morbius as released, etc) show that they do not necessarily understand how to adapt them well. I love MCU Vision. His origin has precious little to do with his comics origin. Same with Wanda, or Ultron. But they made the alterations entertaining and make sense in context. Sony needs to learn how to do that.