tbf if it is February it's coming just shy of TNG's 35th Anniversary and just after 20 years after their last appearance all together
Spoilers Season 3 wild speculation
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True, which gives rise to my further curiosity around the legacy comments. I guess it's all speculative at this point but it's a turn of phrase I find strange, at best.
Wild Speculation (for this series): We're going to have a Captain's Log and a Stardate.
How could he have done this?
Everyone and their dog on Picard has signed NDA's. Who leaked this?
Terry Matalas has confirmed that RMB did indeed see the scripts.......https://twitter.com/TerryMatalas/status/1541572730360737792
I agree with your sentiment, but I see it differently.
Either:
1. The fact that he likes it is a huge red flag, or...
2. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I'm hoping it's this.
If the posters at Jammer's Reviews start gushing over PIC Season 3, then I'll officially declare that Hell Froze Over.
I for one am super optimistic because of this.
I'm pretty anti-STD, albeit I'd argue if you officially classified it as an alternate universe, S1 at least would be mostly watchable, canon and common sense aside.
I'm a big fan of Terry Matalas, and want him to succeed, even if that means Alex Kurtzman gets uplifted in the process. I wish his fan interactions on Twitter were more positive, but he was really accessible to the fans of 12 Monkeys, and his heart seems in the right place for Star Trek history. Just listen to his interview on Inglorious Treksperts.
I agree with about 75% of Robert Meyer Burnett's takes, especially on Star Trek being a period piece with hyper competent characters within a humanist modernist liberal political framework.
Ratings figures from Canada are publicly available. Picard season 1 lost almost half it's audience. Probably half of the core Star Trek fanbase has been alienated by NuTrek. If you could double your audience just by trying to reach all pre-existing fans, you might get a good result.
If they get the tone and canon right, this could be the best thing with the TNG characters since First Contact!
So, as Phlox would say, optimism!!!
I'm pretty anti-STD, albeit I'd argue if you officially classified it as an alternate universe, S1 at least would be mostly watchable, canon and common sense aside.
I'm a big fan of Terry Matalas, and want him to succeed, even if that means Alex Kurtzman gets uplifted in the process. I wish his fan interactions on Twitter were more positive, but he was really accessible to the fans of 12 Monkeys, and his heart seems in the right place for Star Trek history. Just listen to his interview on Inglorious Treksperts.
I agree with about 75% of Robert Meyer Burnett's takes, especially on Star Trek being a period piece with hyper competent characters within a humanist modernist liberal political framework.
Ratings figures from Canada are publicly available. Picard season 1 lost almost half it's audience. Probably half of the core Star Trek fanbase has been alienated by NuTrek. If you could double your audience just by trying to reach all pre-existing fans, you might get a good result.
If they get the tone and canon right, this could be the best thing with the TNG characters since First Contact!
So, as Phlox would say, optimism!!!
How do you get this right? The tone of Trek has varied across the shows, and it's all canon so what does that even mean?
I'm optimistic that half of the people watching Season 3 will hate it no matter who writes it.
Ex Astris Scientia has expansive coverage of post-2017 Star Trek's continuity shortcomings. There's also great YouTube compilations of both the continuity and tonal differences. Yes, 1967-2005 Star Trek has some tonal differences, but not to the degree seen in STD or SNW, especially regarding professionalism and competence. But all of this is being litigated among the fanbase so no need to go in depth here.
People did complain about ENT starting too episodic and formulaic, VGR's reset button reliance and messing up on crew deaths and shuttles etc, or DS9 being too dark, but post-2017 Star Trek has been significant orders of magnitude more polarizing (and this is partially intentional structurally). Picard season 3 will be an overwhelming success if it attracts DS9/VGR/ENT level gripes, not the level of STD or Picard season 1. I honestly think a supermajority of the fanbase might like Picard season 3.
I would watch the crap out of this! I don’t care how much of a rip-off of TSFSt is
I didn't ask for the fanbases opinion. I asked for your viewings on canon. Not continuity shortcomings.
If you think that current Star Trek being polarizing is intentional then I think that it's time to revisit TOS and realize how polarizing that could be, or TNG as well. Star Trek is a big sandbox, and it's episodes can have tone shifts to match the story being told. So, a "tonal shift" is not exactly damning when it's been a part of Trek for a while.
If the supermajority of the fanbase likes it then good for it. I'll judge it on its merits, not tone, continuity, or whatever artificial standard tends to get thrown out there.
Who are all these people hung up on "tonal differences"?
Because Trek is a one size fits all idea sometimes.
Prodigy threw the Mother of all Shade at Voyager when it
gave the Protostar a shuttlecraft replicator.
I've been here since 1999. I'm one of the first members of this board. I can tell you that's not true at all. You were not here for the VOY and ENT years, a.k.a. The B&B Days.
The ENT Forum was so bad, moderators gave out warnings like hotcakes, there was a continual revolving door amongst the staff, and members were banned left and right. It was so bad there was a Group Therapy thread. And there were posts like "Die! Berman! Die!" I have yet to see the equivalent with DSC -- yes, DSC not fucking "STD" -- or PIC. Even though I didn't like VOY or ENT either, I had to work hard to disassociate myself from those nut-jobs. They were a major embarrassment.
But keep it up with the Revisionist History and Rose-Tinted Nostalgia Glasses.
The only thing I agree with you about -- the only thing -- is that PIC Season 3 will most likely be the best TNG adventure since FC. But that's easy to do considering the shitty TNG Movies that came out after FC. So us agreeing that PIC Season 3 will be the best TNG adventure since FC is basically like us agreeing that the ocean is filled with water.
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That's a very generous memory. They also thought Ent destroyed canon and was juvenile, DS9 was not Trek at all, Voyager was lazy and ruined its premise, etc. I edited a fan magazine and visited various forums at that time, and there was plenty of hate. It just took a bit more effort to express that hate in those days.
If it drives away as large a portion of the previously established audience as those shows did, it won't be much of a success. Voyager and DS9 wound up with about 1/3rd of TNG's ratings IIRC; Enterprise had about 1/6th. DSC and co have had to try to rebuild that audience after the previous instalments ran it into the ground.
Indeed, in some respects it has a significant risk of losing its viewers, given it discarded its cast for a TNG farewell tour. It might be a curiosity piece to bring back some, but it could burn others.
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We're going to end up in a situation where some people will retroactively say, "I thought Nemesis was an appropriate send-off for TNG!" *cough*bullshit*cough* No they didn't. "Yeah, but compared to... " Nope. Nope. Don't even.
TNG was the only new Trek around for the longest time.
I sure hope Denise Crosby is the other cast member. I want her to come back as a Romulan, somehow connected to Tasha, but not Sela. But then never mention Sela in any reference to this new character.
Star Trek canon is complicated. Gene Roddenberry included and excluded TAS, specifically did not canonize his TMP novelization, and of course questions were raised about TFF and TUC. Jeri Taylor's licensed Pocket VGR novels Mosaic and Pathways were deemed canon while she was with the show, but this wasn't maintained under Brannon Braga. TAS seemed to be rehabilitated into canon when it was released on DVD. But in general, until 2005 the answer was basically everything that was live action filmed (although as the TNG Klingon VCR board game was a licensed product, I've never heard anymore refer to it as canon).
The Abramsverse films, which Bad Robot produced under a production fee arrangement, are set in an alternate timeline that functions de facto as a parallel universe, a la the Mirror Universe. Bad Robot would get a cut of merchandising for anything they produced, and apparently wanted CBS to stop releasing pre-2005 stuff so as to not compete with what they were doing. During this time, Pocket Books, owned by CBS, was unable to publish Abramsverse content, or even refer to the 2387 Romulan supernova. In 2015ish, it was reported the K/O Paper Products, the half predecessor company to Secret Hideout, was said to have the licensed Star Trek television rights. They have since produced three live action, two animated, and one off short Star Trek series. These are said to be canon and set in the Prime Universe. I've seen STD seasons 1 & 2, the first wave of Short Treks, all released Lower Decks and Prodigy episodes, all of Picard season 2, and the first five episodes of SNW. Picard season 2, Prodigy eps 1-10, and Lower Decks seasons 1-2 (despite those evil tonal issues) don't explicitly conflict with anything from 1966-2005 any more than the content produced between 1966 and 2005. However, I don't see how TOS and STD/SNW can be equally canon, but that is the current party line.
FWIW, I've been mostly lurking in Trek forums since 1995... AOL, Psi Phi, and here off and on from the early 2000s. I remember some of the anti Berman and Braga vitriol, but most of my time was in the literature subforum. I'll take your word that the TrekBBS was more polarized back then, but Star Trek fandom at large is probably more polarized now... with many people that made it to the end of ENT switching off post 2017 content entirely. If you'd told me in 2005 that there would be an entire season of a Star Trek show with Patrick Stewart as Picard in the future... and I would run for the hills not wanting to watch it, that would be a hard leap.
On STD vs DSC or DIS... well at this point it's a petty internet shibboleth similar in concept to (but not to place in equivalence a dispute on the internet to a geopolitical dispute that has cost lives in reality) the Londonderry / Derry situation, not a mere VGR vs VOY.
We probably disagree on VGR and ENT, and obviously post-2017 stuff, but maybe we equally like TOS... TNG... DS9? So STD / DSC-DIS aside, hopefully this can be in good faith.
Well if Discovery / Strange New Worlds can somehow Klingon forehead / Vulcan reformation / Romulans in season 2 vs 4 ENT their continuity violations, or just parallel universe it, I might change my opinion. Hell, if Picard season 3 is amazing, I might even gasp watch season 1.
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