Spoilers Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness grade and discussion thread

Of course not. But, I don't want a film sold to me on fan service. Sell me a good story, with fan service as spice not the main course. And prefer none if possible.

 

No Way Home was a great story. A great *Holland Spider-man* story. I know this because I absolutely loved it and I don't care about Garfield and absolutely hate Maguire and his entire movie universe.

I don't care how much it was 'sold' on the basis of fanservice.

 

I am just ok with Holland as Spiderman. But, I like Dr. Strange which was my big draw. And it was a heart warming well constructed story that had some flavorings of fan service. It worked very well, and better than I expected.

 

Point of order: I'm no fan of the Maguire films, even after I recently rewatched them for the first time since their initial release leading up to No Way Home. I actually like the first Garfield film (more so than I did the first time around) but the second one is just terrible.

I talked quite a bit about that in anticipation thread and discovered that I was far from the only person who felt this way.

 

I also dislike all the Toby films. Garfield's were better, but that's not saying a whole lot. I loved No Way Home.

 

*shrug*

I said most, not all.

I admit that’s an assumption based on my own feeling.

My point stands that the movie was far from gutless.

 

I'm still not even sure I understand the context of calling the film gutless. What would make the film more courageous?

 

The origin of this phrase lies with the fanboy, who felt he or she or they were entitled to a certain movie they made in their head and didn't get. They feel they now need to lash out to anyone who even dares to like the movie because it undermines their superiority complex and 'know it all' status as movie-lover-god. Or goddess.

You see, we more mortals are not aware that those that post a lot on forums such as these, are actually the best people in the world and we should all acknowledge their wisdom as absolute act. Rage often becomes part of their persona when they are suddenly confronted with a different opinion, and said person (or selfproclaimed god-like entity) will often start repeating whatever they were saying in the hope that repetition will become fact for others. AKA, if I scream loud enough the others won't be heard.

Fun fact, some will respond to this calling me out and naming me many rather unflattering things because they realize I am right but don't like it. Some other usual suspects will, after reading that, remain very silent in fear of suddenly being recognized as such.
And a few will respond with a flair of authority or 'I see what you're trying to do here but I won't dignify it with a response'..... while actually responding. It's kinda funny and entertaining.

Long story short, some people will shout their opinions very loudly, others will simply state "I enjoyed this movie" or "I did not enjoy this movie" and be ok with their personal opinions and let others have theirs in peace and quiet.

 

I enjoyed this movie.

 

I enjoyed this movie as well. I am also ok with people not enjoying. Did you enjoy No Way Home? I enjoyed that moviel

 

I did enjoy NWH. I am also okay if someone didn't.

 

I'm now picturing a teaser trailer showcasing that hellscape, with all sorts of horrors right out of a Bosch painting, and Wanda kneeling on the burning ground in the middle of it all, looking resigned and lost. "It was inevitable. All the pain I'd inflicted... all the innocent lives I'd snuffed out... where else was I going to end up when I died?"

 

I don't know if it was specific to the IMAX version, but certain scenes had a high frame rate, which to me looks really weird in a feature film.

Kor

 

Not sure what it says about MoM, but this is the first MCU movie in forever where I don't feel in any rush to check it out on home video. Didn't hate it, just . . . meh.
I guess part of it is that I miss the style of the original director, and Rami feels like a step backwards in terms of balancing the tone. Also I guess I'm not in a rush to see so many characters wasted, in more ways than one. A lot of odd choices in this movie.

Yeah I'm basically the same; I liked the first two Rami films when they came out (still only seen SM3 once and no interest in revisiting), though feel like they haven't aged all that well. Maybe I've just gotten more cynical, but I bump up against the cheese and the saccharine drama way more than I used to. I basically skipped the Garfield movies when they were new. only getting around to watching them a few years ago, and I liked the first one way more that I expected to (though not without it's flaws), while the second one was just a hot mess of a film.

So while I certainly respect Rami's movies, I can't say that I have a massive amount of affection for them. Some nostalgia for the various actors and their performances, some key scenes that are undeniably classic, but that's about it.

From what I've heard others say over the years, I'm reasonably sure this is not an unusual experience, or attitude.

 

I still have a hard time believing people had much sympathy for MJ the way she ditched John on their wedding day to run to Peter. I KNOW it was a homage to "The Graduate" but at least there the people involved in the wedding were all unsympathetic.

 

That whole bit was worth it for:

"Call Debra."
"The caterer?!"
<nods> "Tell her not to open the caviar."

 

It's all melodrama either way. Honestly I just wish they gave her more to do in general besides just being the prize for Peter to covet, reject and/or rescue. Her choices never bothered me since none of the movies gave her much agency to begin with.

 

Finally watched this, it feels good to finally be caught up on all of my Marvel viewing. We'll see how long this lasts!

Glad I watched it, but will never watch it again. It was just too bleak, dark, and gratuitous for me. Not a fun movie at all. Well, America and Wong were awesome, they helped bring a smidgen of fun. And Bruce Campbell. So there were definitely moments. But overall, it just didn't work for me. Wanda's story better continue, otherwise this was pointlessly sad. We didn't need 2 hours of her (non) arc murder spree to get it.

Not the worst of the Marvel bunch. But it's close. (Where Thor 2 was just dull, at least this had a form of excitement to it.)

 

I thought the Gargantos fight felt like I was watching a Raimi Spider-man 2 scene. It had that sort of atmosphere.

The balcony looked fake like when Dunst's Mary Jane was at the Unity Festival.

 

Not sure I like the whole incursion concept but I have to confess that I've seen the same kind of thing in anime and didn't have a problem with it then.