SNW truly respects TOS continuity!

[Gov Kodos]

A fair case could be made that the eugenics wars started at the outset of the 20th century when Galton and other theorists were taken seriously enough the US and others began IQ testing, forced sterilizations and other methods to engineer a proper racial hygiene in the US and elsewhere. Formal warfare starting after that Austrian chap with the Chaplin mustache launched his bid for a true folkish paradise.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

That's pretty minor.

So could I be forgiven for saying WW2 took place in the 17th Century?

It’s only a couple of hundred years wrong right? Pretty minor all told?

 

[AresB]

So could I be forgiven for saying WW2 took place in the 17th Century?

You're hereby forgiven.

The augments were around and kicking Klingon ass in ENT s4, so there may well have been another Eugenics War 15 years after it.

 

[yotsuya]

So could I be forgiven for saying WW2 took place in the 17th Century?

It’s only a couple of hundred years wrong right? Pretty minor all told?

LOL... read up on the question of when TOS is set based only on TOS dialog. There is like a 500 year range. So misplacing the Eugenics Wars in time is pretty minor for Trek. I mean, its not like they happened in the 1990s like Kirk said. So adjusting them in time along with Khan would make sense.

 

[yotsuya]

No, it doesn't.

It's the way these things actually work.

You'd clearly rather it worked differently, so you just insist that it does.

I think you need to experience more fandom. Lots of fans of various franchises have canon disagreements with large groups rejecting portions of official canon. That's been going on for a long time with Star Trek. So taking this hard line view that we must agree with the current production canon is somewhat out of line with how many fans look at it.

 

[Mudd]

I think you need to experience more fandom.

I really don't.

You assume too much.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think you need to experience more fandom. Lots of fans of various franchises have canon disagreements with large groups rejecting portions of official canon. That's been going on for a long time with Star Trek. So taking this hard line view that we must agree with the current production canon is somewhat out of line with how many fans look at it.

"Canon" is still above fandom's paygrade. Don't confuse stuff you like or dislike with canon.

 

[Gov Kodos]

I think you need to experience more fandom. Lots of fans of various franchises have canon disagreements with large groups rejecting portions of official canon. That's been going on for a long time with Star Trek. So taking this hard line view that we must agree with the current production canon is somewhat out of line with how many fans look at it.

Your agreement or lack thereof means nothing to what is canon. Your inflated sense of importance means nothing to the owners of Star Trek. They make the show. They can do so any way they want. It will always be canon because they make the show. Your opinions will remain irrelevant.

 

[Kor]

... They speak a language we've never heard. ...

Sorry, but that's simply not correct. Star Trek: Discovery is probably the first time in any of the Trek TV series that the Klingon language has actually been spoken correctly, as developed by Marc Okrand for the TOS movies, and which we heard a-plenty in TSFS, TFF and TUC. The Discovery Klingon actors were even coached by an expert or two in Okrand's proper Klingon.

The so-called "Klingon language" dialog in TNG, VOY and DS9 was practically gibberish, as it randomly slapped together words from the Klingon dictionary with nonsensical constructions that had nothing to do with Okrand's grammar and syntax, with poor pronunciation to boot.

Kor

 

[cooleddie74]

I'm part of the fandom. I don't need to experience 500 more people like myself on a regular basis. This place suffices my needs plenty, thank you very much.

 

[yotsuya]

Your agreement or lack thereof means nothing to what is canon. Your inflated sense of importance means nothing to the owners of Star Trek. They make the show. They can do so any way they want. It will always be canon because they make the show. Your opinions will remain irrelevant.

My point is that when the owners change and the new owners show a clear lack of interest in following the previous canon, what they add is clearly not the same canon as what came before. To add to canon you need to pay attention to what came before or you are literally making mistakes and continuity errors. In 2005 CBS came into the picture and they have imposed changes that are obviously based on business and not creative decisions.

 

[yotsuya]

"Canon" is still above fandom's paygrade. Don't confuse stuff you like or dislike with canon.

Is it really? Aren't fans the real keepers of canon? Because if they don't care, who will? And canon is really a fan term, not something the producers often think about.

 

[cooleddie74]

To both above posts:

No.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Is it really? Aren't fans the real keepers of canon? Because if they don't care, who will? And canon is really a fan term, not something the producers often think about.

Nope. They get to like and dislike. Oh, and bitch about it.
Nah, canon is the stuff producers draw from when creating new material. It’s more or less how we got TWOK. And also SNW
Canon exists with, without and often in spite of the fans.

 

[fireproof78]

Is it really? Aren't fans the real keepers of canon? Because if they don't care, who will?

Fans cannot impact canon, so no they cannot be the real keeps of the canon. In point of fact, fans often are self-appointed guardians who establish rules that even the producers themselves do not find any obligation to follow.

 

[cooleddie74]

Canon is the width and breadth of filmed and produced Star Trek from 1964 until the present. And that's the definition.

 

[The Wormhole]

Aren't fans the real keepers of canon?

Holy hell NO!!!

 

[fireproof78]

Holy hell NO!!!

Damn it! Just when I was about to excise TMP and Generations from canon forever you had to go and ruin it!

 

[Campe]

You ask a dozen fans what good Star Trek is, you’ll get fourteen different answers, some of which flat out contradict the others. So no, fans are absolutely not keepers of the canon. And thank god for that.

 

[cooleddie74]

But almost nobody calls "Code of Honor(TNG)" good Star Trek.