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Spoilers 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' series [Spoiler Discussion]

TLJ was a competently made film - albeit far from perfect - which took some creative swings that missed the mark in the eyes of many. TROS on the other hand was just a terrible movie, period.
 
Kenobi's falling into a lot of the same traps that Picard did. They start on very similar premises with broken old guys who just don't feel capable of doing the things they were known for in their past. They then get into increasingly unbelievable situations that border on the absurd, complete with shady cyberpunk planets and improbable escapes.
 
Kenobi's falling into a lot of the same traps that Picard did. They start on very similar premises with broken old guys who just don't feel capable of doing the things they were known for in their past. They then get into increasingly unbelievable situations that border on the absurd, complete with shady cyberpunk planets and improbable escapes.
They're nothing alike, and Star Wars has always had shady cyberpunk planets and unbelievable situations.

Throw in TLJ and i'm sold.
TLJ is the third best Star Wars movie ever made.
 
I think TROS is the worst star wars film ever made. I’d rather rewatch Nemesis and Insurrection back to back then experience that movie again.

Amen! I'll do you one better. It's one of the worst movies, period, I've ever seen and I won't waste a second of my life rewatching a single frame. I've done everything I can to forget it and purge it from my memories of SW. It just....didn't happen.

Im not a sequel trilogy hater, TLJ is my second favourite film of the Skywalker Saga....

Same! Well, it may not be my second fav, but it's certainly my fav outside the OT and is probably on par with ROTJ in my opinion.

and I rate TFA higher than the prequels.

Here's where you lost me. Don't like TFA. But it's better than SOME of the prequels. But I like ROTS far more.

:)
 
Interesting:

Vader's freakish mausoleum of Jedi; one would hope he never says he erected that out of some form of guilt, since ROTS made it clear he resented all Jedi, their beliefs and existence--all a threat to his worldview and adopted faith of the Sith.

Might be more practical than that - in Rebels, the Inquisitors had the dead body of Master Luminara Unduli preserved and used to lure in remaining Jedi like Kanan, who would be able to sense if Luminara genuinely wasn't present at the base where the trap was set. The implication is that some form of "Force signature" remains around the corpse of a being strong in the Force, that is recognisable to those who knew them in life. Kanan did say his impression of Unduli via the Force felt wrong, but wasn't able to pin that down to "she's dead"...

The bodies in the mausoleum may be intended for similar ploys. That or the Inquisitors just like taking trophies.
 
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My guess is it's a trophy hall. Kills that brought a particular Inquisitor satisfaction and resulted in a body that was still intact enough to take with them and put on display in the hall.
 
My guess is it's a trophy hall. Kills that brought a particular Inquisitor satisfaction and resulted in a body that was still intact enough to take with them and put on display in the hall.
Vader: No disintegrations!
Boba Fett: Why not?
Vader: Because I need something to show for the Inquisitor hall!
 
Better episode than the last 3 but still my impression was "Gez... Obi Wan sure spends a lot of time walking around on this show."

Yes, I like Palpatine returning. I found it quite enjoyable.
Why? You're usually against legacy characters returning.

One looked a little like the intact body of Plo Koon but he was killed when his Jedi Starfighter was shot down and exploded in a fireball over Cato Neimoidia. So my guess is it's another Dorin Jedi hunted down by the Inquisitors.
Yet they keep using Plo Koon anytime they want to film secret Luke Skywalker scenes. Wonder if they have it in their mind that he maybe survived.

posture and appearance of the youngling reminded me a lot of the one in Revenge of the Sith who begged Anakin for help before the slaughter,
Yep, when I saw the youngling I instantly heard in my head "Master Skywalker, there are too many of them, what awe we going to do?". Vader is a pretty messed up dude and seriously messed up to put the little helmet back on the kid. I mean... the f**k?
 
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Why? You're usually against legacy characters returning.
Because Palpatine is the villain of the Skywalker saga. He is the dark lord who keeps returning to haunt the galaxy in a play for power and domination.

As a general rule, yes I am against legacy characters returning because they are "legacy characters." If it makes sense within the context of the story then I can be a bit more forgiving of it, though obviously the execution will impact my attitude. But, my opposition is always in terms of "Oh, new Star Wars! I hope (insert random legacy character name here) is in it!" without a faintest question as to the "Why" of things. I don't deal in nostalgia tickles. I want characters to mean something.
 
Because Palpatine is the villain of the Skywalker saga. He is the dark lord who keeps returning to haunt the galaxy in a play for power and domination.

As a general rule, yes I am against legacy characters returning because they are "legacy characters." If it makes sense within the context of the story then I can be a bit more forgiving of it, though obviously the execution will impact my attitude. But, my opposition is always in terms of "Oh, new Star Wars! I hope (insert random legacy character name here) is in it!" without a faintest question as to the "Why" of things. I don't deal in nostalgia tickles. I want characters to mean something.

It made NO sense in the context of that story. Zero! Even the writers couldn't come up with a bullshit explanation to justify it.

And having a character return who has presumably been long dead and who has literally zero connection to the actual characters of that franchise is just unforgivable levels of laziness and stupidity. It was an awful choice in a stunningly terrible movie.
 
I'll never rank TLJ in my Top Tier of Star Wars movies but damn, it's The Great Escape compared to TROS. :lol:
 
It made NO sense in the context of that story. Zero! Even the writers couldn't come up with a bullshit explanation to justify it.

And having a character return who has presumably been long dead and who has literally zero connection to the actual characters of that franchise is just unforgivable levels of laziness and stupidity. It was an awful choice in a stunningly terrible movie.
Made sense to me.
 
The return of Palpatine was brilliant, as was the premise of how Sith successorship works. But there were many problems with the structure of the story of TROS, and I agree that the final spacecraft battle was bogus.
 
... It would have been nice if they laid the groundwork, even just some minor hints in TFA and TLJ. (And I liked both of those movies.) But that would have required some sort of a plan. Instead it was an obviously tacked on storyline not only to the movie itself but to the whole trilogy.

Yes I feel the same. Around the time of TROS, when JJ Abrams was asked if Palpatine's return was planned all along, he gave this non-answer about how, when you consider all nine movies as a unified saga, it would be weird if Palpatine didn't return. Apparently he and Larry Kasdan had thrown around the idea of Palpatine returning when they first started working on the sequel trilogy. Also, Kathleen Kennedy said that Palpatine's return had "been in the blueprint for a long time" for Episode IX, though they hadn't quite figured out how they would make it happen. But if it really was something that they were definitely going to do, TFA and TLF sure didn't give the audience any hints about it. Abrams also said that when he read Rian Johnson's script for TLJ, it didn't get in the way of any ideas that Abrams and Kasdan wanted to do for the trilogy. ...Which makes me think they weren't decided on exactly what they wanted to do to wrap up the whole saga.

If there had been a more coherent overall plan from the get-go, I wonder what could have worked well as foreshadowing in TLJ and TROS for Palpatine's eventual return, without making it too obvious early on. Perhaps seeing Snoke himself in his private chambers making a transmission to some unseen figure who is obviously his superior? Or Rey and/or Kylo coming across cloning chambers with Snoke pieces like we would see in TROS, earlier on? Or TLJ ending on a cliffhanger with that "mysterious broadcast" described in TROS's opening crawl but we never actually got to hear for ourselves. Again, that's in a hypothetical scenario in which such story developments in TROS had actually been laid out in advance. Instead, it all just comes out of left field like the retcon of Blofeld showing up out of the blue in SPECTRE and revealing that he was secretly behind every last thing that happened to Bond in the previous three movies. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing this week's episode of "Obi-Wan Kenobi." :cool:

Kor
 
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