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Spoilers 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' series [Spoiler Discussion]

There must be other classes of Sith than just the inquisitors.
The inquisitors are not sith and I can’t think of other dark side force users in this era.
How can it be a secret that the Emperor is Sith, if Vader is out?
it’s a totalitarian state, the emperor controls the media. You wouldn’t believe some wild rumour about our good emperor, wouldn’t you? Especially if believing it might get you killed…

Doesn't it feel like Lord Vader is trying to take an apprentice?
he tried several times in the EUs (both the new one and the old).

Or that Third Sister is looking for a Master?
perhaps! Or perhaps she would just settle for the Grand Inquisitor position.

Either she has a personal grudge against Obi-Wan
I suspect this might be the case…

or she wants to butter up Vader with a gift.
…but sucking up to the boss is always a good idea for bad guy underlings.

Sith is a Religion.
Yes, but not one that aims to convert everybody: the sith are pretty happy being very few and in control of everybody else, even better if they can keep them in the dark. Information is power.

Luke never read shit about the Jedi, yet "claims" to be the greatest Jedi ever.
he definitely read the ancient Jedi texts and I don’t remember him making any such claim.
 
I never like the idea of Sith body transference when it first reared its ugly head in the Dark Empire comics, and I liked it even less in Rise of Skywalker.

It's just a lame plot device to recycle old villains over and over instead of coming up with something new.
i liked the idea a lot: it makes the rule of two, which before was completely nonsensical, very logical.

Not that I’m defending TLJ and especially its use of Palpatine, which was, to say the least, really heavy-handed.
 
Mayfeld was just a really good Imperial shot. Plus he was a reforming-to-good guy on the side of our heroes so naturally he's not going to miss his target. :p
 
Palpatine in TROS and, well, Snoke throughout the Sequel Trilogy should have been Darth Plagueis operating under a new identity to hide who he really was. He could have been the supreme mastermind behind all nine movies in the Saga and operated behind the scenes to wait for the downfall of Sidious and his Empire and to construct his own as the ultimate expression of Sith power and authority in the galaxy.

But nope. We got what we got and the Saga was not better off for it.
 
The inquisitors are not sith and I can’t think of other dark side force users in this era.
it’s a totalitarian state, the emperor controls the media. You wouldn’t believe some wild rumour about our good emperor, wouldn’t you? Especially if believing it might get you killed…

he tried several times in the EUs (both the new one and the old).

perhaps! Or perhaps she would just settle for the Grand Inquisitor position.

I suspect this might be the case…

…but sucking up to the boss is always a good idea for bad guy underlings.

Yes, but not one that aims to convert everybody: the sith are pretty happy being very few and in control of everybody else, even better if they can keep them in the dark. Information is power.

he definitely read the ancient Jedi texts and I don’t remember him making any such claim.

Oh, read them, have you?

- Well, I...

- Page turners, they were not.

Yes, yes, yes.

He was greatest living Jedi, when he was the only Jedi.

It's not hard to take one brash step further from there.
 
He was greatest living Jedi, when he was the only Jedi.

It's not hard to take one brash step further from there.
i still don’t see any claim, nor him saying he has not read them. in fact if he knows they are a boring read he must have at least attempted to read them.
 
He lived 900 years and trained Jedi for 800 of them. At some point between the immediate post-Great Sith War period and the events of the Prequel Trilogy he likely read through them. When you can live almost 1,000 years you can't get out of having to do the required reading for the job.
 
I got the sense that Luke may have given the old Jedi texts a cursory glance but never really read through them carefully and thoroughly. That's what I got from his reaction when Yoda asks, "Read them, have you?" In any case, they didn't actually get destroyed in that fire. Not long after, we see that Rey had already managed to swipe them all and stow them away on the Millennium Falcon. Those scavenger skills at work!

From what they wear, I would assume Vader oversees the inquisitors, if there wasn't a Grand Inquisitor.

The Emperor is the Sith Pope, so Vader is a Sith Bishop?

There must be other classes of Sith than just the inquisitors.

(Google says that there was a rich stratified sith culture during the old republic, but not so during the imperial era.)

How can it be a secret that the Emperor is Sith, if Vader is out?

If Sheev is out, then Sith should be the official state religion even for non force users... Unless Palpatine believes in freedom of Religion? Y'Know except for Jedi.

In the original trilogy days, the nature of the Sith was kept vague and mysterious. Fandom only knew there was such a thing as Sith from tie-in materials. The word "Sith" was never actually spoken in dialog in the final cut of SW77. Tagge's line from an earlier version of the Death Star conference room scene, "This Sith Lord sent by the Emperor will be our undoing," didn't make it into the movie (also in that version, Prowse-Vader spoke of "The Cosmic Force").

In-universe, I think the galaxy at large is kept in the dark about the extent of Sith influence in the Imperial era, and exactly what the Sith are. Specialists in ancient history might have some awareness that there was once a bigger Sith religion, and that there were ancient Sith empires, but on the surface the Galactic Empire doesn't look like those. It appears to be a "secular" totalitarian dictatorship, even to those in its own top ranks. Anything having to do with "The Force" is a dying throwback to olden days. Admiral Motti derided Vader for his "sad devotion to that ancient religion." Would he have spoken that way if it was well-known that the Emperor himself was the foremost practitioner of said religion? Maybe if the Emperor was also generally believed to be some secluded figurehead who didn't do much, like the novelization of the first movie indicated. "Fine, let His Highness keep occupied practicing that old religion in his palace while we actually run things and build our own power."

Even Tarkin, who worked alongside Jedi during the Clone Wars, apparently considers all that Force stuff to basically be the same thing, as he tells Vader, "You, my friend, are all that's left of their [the Jedis'] religion." I can't remember if it was in one of the recent books or comics, but I seem to recall someone remarking that, to the rest of the galaxy, Jedi and Sith are like different denominations of the same religion, using this cosmic power of theirs to have power in the galaxy without real regard for everyone else. The top dogs in the Imperial army/navy are aware of a handful of believers in "The Force" who work as Imperial enforcers, but in those officers' eyes it seems that such practitioners are generally "kept in their place," unlike in the old days of the Republic when thousands of treasonous Jedi were allowed to run loose, unchecked, and their evil order nearly overthrew the government.

Kor
 
I got the sense that Luke may have given the old Jedi texts a cursory glance but never really read through them carefully and thoroughly. That's what I got from his reaction when Yoda asks, "Read them, have you?" In any case, they didn't actually get destroyed in that fire. Not long after, we see that Rey had already managed to swipe them all and stow them away on the Millennium Falcon. Those scavenger skills at work!

This is the best gag in the entire movie. When Yoda tells the despondent Luke "Already has she, all that she needs" (or whatever the line is, my memory is a bit foggy on the quote) he means that quite literally, because he knows she's already stolen the books.
 
The inquisitors are not sith and I can’t think of other dark side force users in this era.

In any other time period - one not governed by a Rule of Two, in other words - they would have been considered Sith.

They're SIABN.

Not that I’m defending TLJ and especially its use of Palpatine, which was, to say the least, really heavy-handed.

I would say that TLJ's use of Palpatine was extremely subtle.
 
The Inquisitors are Imperial enforcers. They are outside the standard chain of command, and like their master Vader, can utilize military forces at their leisure.
You wouldn't want to say "no" to the guy with the helicopter lightsaber, would you? And as they are apparently Lord Vader's pets, you wouldn't want to get on his shit list either.
As far as "sith" my take from watching Rebels is they're somewhat on the level of Sith Pets. Highly trained, very powerful pets but still pets.
And if a pet gets sick or rabid, you take it to the vet to be euthanized, if Vader slicing off your head can be considered that.
 
Mayfeld was just a really good Imperial shot. Plus he was a reforming-to-good guy on the side of our heroes so naturally he's not going to miss his target. :p

The fact that he's played by my favorite standup comedian doesn't hurt either!

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They were not inside the Star Destroyer.

The escape pod with the droids was able to get away well enough without running into anything.

Docked in the hangar is not the same as "inside."
Only because (for whatever reason) the Imperials were scanning yet not destroying any Escape Pods that registered "no life forms aboard" (need because if they did what they SHOULD have done - and that's blast EVERY Escape Pod they saw launch); we'd have a VERY SHORT film. ;)
 
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Only because (for whatever reason) the Imperials were scanning yet not destroying any Escape Pods that registered "no life forms aboard" (need because if they did what they SHOULD have done - and that's blast EVEY Escape Pod they saw launch); we'd have a VERY SHORT film. ;)

Why waste energy on an empty pod? You kind of have to presume here that the rebels wouldn't just abandon the data on a data card in the empty pod, and that the pod itself probably lacks the necessary storage to hold the data itself. Which means the only thing could be aboard a pod with no lifeforms is droids.

And who is going to trust a droid with the DS plans?

SW has gone to an interesting place that actually kind of justifies that. And you even see it right in this series. Some people (humans at least, and probably others) just don't consider droids to be much more than the metal/plastic they are made out of.

Even Leia feuds with her cousin because he's rude to droids. Some people see worth and, dare I say it, humanity in them. But most don't. Leia, like her father, is one that does. And, ironically, the droid she trusts is literally her family's oldest friend. The value Leia is willing to place in R2, that others simply wouldn't, separates her thematically from the Empire.
 
They didn't shoot the pod for the same reason they didn't shoot any random debris that fell off the ship. It's just junk, so why bother? Also some basic military disciple; you don't just shoot at anything that moves. You always check your targets. Plus, what gunner wants to explain to Lord Vader that they failed to shoot a pod that actually had escaping rebels in it, because they were too busy using the ventral batteries taking pot shots at random debris and short circuiting pods?
 
In any other time period - one not governed by a Rule of Two, in other words - they would have been considered Sith.

They're SIABN.
well, it might be interesting to see what makes a dark side force user a sith. The rage? The hate? The red lightsaber? The Jedi have a philosophy, but do the sith? Of course in the new canon they are involved with the mind transfers, but the sith apprentices are still considered sith…
I would say that TLJ's use of Palpatine was extremely subtle.
Oups, I meant rise of skywalker
You wouldn't want to say "no" to the guy with the helicopter lightsaber, would you?
speaking of this, I hope THAT won’t happen in Kenobi. I always found using lightsabers to fly hilarious.
 
TROS on the other hand…
Was fucking amazing.

Yes, I like Palpatine returning. I found it quite enjoyable.

well, it might be interesting to see what makes a dark side force user a sith. The rage? The hate? The red lightsaber? The Jedi have a philosophy, but do the sith? Of course in the new canon they are involved with the mind transfers, but the sith apprentices are still considered sith…
They do. Maul repeats it:
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