Spoilers 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' series [Spoiler Discussion]
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You listed a series of facts about the show:
Obi Wan isn't using the Force
He buried his sabers in the sand
He's not "in shape"
He's a poor laborer
He's keeping a distant eye on Luke
He's running from his old identity as Obi Wan
He's a shadow of his former self
These are objective facts in the show, presented in a straightforward, unambiguous manner. If anyone has a different "interpretation", then I weep for their ability to comprehend basic facts.
If they didn't use the GI from Rebels, (most) people would have just shrugged and thought, "Oh, it's not his time yet," and not given it a second thought.
So, Ben Kenobi needs a moment of clarity to focus on the Force (dare I say a Rey moment?). Reconnect with it on the level he once had, and then he should get his connection with Qui-Gon, thus making him more than he once was. After than he will confront Vader again, and escape, while beating Vader in a way that leave Kenobi being alive either ambiguous, or open for a second season to make Kenobi's detachment from the Galaxy at large (and the Empire not certain he could be alive) more believable after this event.
Fans are not most people.
Pretty much, yes.
No, thanks. I find it quite relevant with Vader's appearance and consistency across the franchise.
I don't see how that's sad. Who are these shows for if not for the fans? A very bizarre statement.
I second this.
Story first, fan second.
Sure, but story is still for the fans and I don't see anything here that's anymore than, say, The Empire Strikes Back when it comes to so-called "fan service."
The Empire Strikes Back is as far from fan service as a film could possibly get. If the series goes like that then fine, my concerns over fan service will be relieved. Thus far, I am skeptical that they will not utilize fan service to make the fans jump for joy over nonsense minutia rather than serve the story.
Take it easy. It is unnecessary to be so crass n your analogies.
The OT Vader established behavior, not R1. Whether you're capable of understanding that, it all springs from the OT, so the tacked on R1 scene is out of place for what the suited Vader does and how he operates. It was the job of those who stapled that scene to connect their version of Vader to what was already established, particularly in a case where the end of R1 takes place a short time before the beginning of Star Wars.
Oh, so according to you--and only you--there's no urgency in his reasons for boarding Leia's ship? Hmm...he was still trying to retrieve the DS plans, which was the driving motivation of the Imperials throughout the film. To you, "urgency" must walk hand in hand with Vader performing stunts, as if you cannot possibly comprehend why he boarded the ship in the first place.
Yeah, it seems you really need to watch Star Wars again.
Yeahhh, that silly old Sidious was just so wrong to be confident that his clones were capable of slaughtering Jedi around the galaxy without the aid of his new apprentice. Whoops.
Motivation matters in why scenes are shot, added or removed from films. You have not--nor will you ever rewrite history to make the R1 scene anything other than the fan-service / lightsaber porn it was. That was the motivation behind adding that scene, not anything organic to the main plot, which was achieved without the Vader scene.
This x1000.
Truly hilarious. Let me elucidate you to the reasons why the situations are entirely different.
In ANH, Leia's ship was captured. It was literally INSIDE the star destroyer. There was no urgency! No one was going anywhere! They were captured!
In Rogue One, the rebels were in the process of escaping. Dear god!
You have truly outdone your even own foolishness here. Congrats!
Meeting adjourned!
And Phantom Menace. And Attack of the Clones. And Clone Wars. And Rebels. And Solo.
Oh, yeah, The Imperial March totally can't be used before ESB.
He saved Leia from falling.
Plus, he walked straight to his buried lightsaber, something that I'd think is absolutely impossible without use of the Force.
They were not inside the Star Destroyer.
The escape pod with the droids was able to get away well enough without running into anything.
Docked in the hangar is not the same as "inside."
Anyone working with the Star Wars media license has access to the Star Wars soundtrack for free as far as I know.
It would explain why nearly every single Star Wars video game has used movie music.
Did you just parse "in a hangar" with "inside the ship"?? Care to explain the distinction?
They let the escape pod go. Others tried to escape and were shot down. No one was going anywhere. There was, again, no urgency. Vader could take his time.
I think it's less about Ben's connection to the force per see, and more to do with his inner conflict. It's a psychological/emotional issue, not a skill/discipline one. He's consumed by guilt and doubt and shame over what happened with Anakin, and that was before he knew he survived!
He first needs to confront his fears and his trauma and let go of his guilt before he'll be able to find his centre again and achieve balance within.
This is even referenced in the Ahsoka novel of all things with a little interlude between chapters. Basically Ben is sat meditating in a deep trance (presumably happening around 1 year after RotS same as the rest of the book), trying to break through and make contact with Qui-Gon as Yoda instructed (as he's still doing on the show, 9 years later), but he keeps dwelling on his shame and his failures, and right as he's ripped right back to the physical plane he just barely hears a whisper of Qui-Gon Jinn's voice saying "Obi-Wan. Let go."
It actually just occurred to me that it's possible Obi-Wan never faced the trial of spirit to achieve knighthood; never faced the mirror. The council just knighted him for the display of mastery that was defeating a Sith Lord in single combat, seemingly forgoing the trials. So in a sense, this is his last trial before he can truly be a Jedi.
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No one was going anywhere, and yet the plans got away. OK.Did you just parse "in a hangar" with "inside the ship"?? Care to explain the distinction?
They let the escape pod go. Others tried to escape and were shot down. No one was going anywhere. There was, again, no urgency. Vader could take his time.
Vader seemed to appreciate the urgency, ordering his men to tear the ship apart.
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