Yes, another one seems very likely.
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Yes, another one seems very likely.
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What does this even mean? Vader didn't do anything PT-ish in that scene.
I totally agree, but I can't imagine that's what they're doing. I think there's no chance the GI doesn't come back to life or they pull a hilarious switcheroo and have his similar-looking "brother" show up at the end.
This, I think, underscores one of the problems of using established characters. They should have created a Grand Inquisitor who was completely new and bore no resemblance to the one in Rebels. That way, we'd all just assume that the character died and wouldn't be having these silly debates.
The casual fans don't know the animated character and probably just assume the guy is dead. No reason to think otherwise. The more diehard fans who know "rebels" are left puzzling over the possibilities.
Prior to the show's premiere, we all just assumed the GI couldn't die, since he was established.
They could have eliminated all this unnecessary speculation and drama by just giving us a different GI all along. That way, whether he lived or died wouldn't matter. Even if he lived, there's enough off-screen time between Obi Wan and Rebels to assume something else happened to him in the interim.
Dumb decision all around.
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I will wait to see the end of the series to determine if it was dumb or not.
Fans will puzzle and debate dumb things until the end of time. Even if it was a new inquisitor it wouldn't change that.
Fans will puzzle and debate dumb things until the end of time. Even if it was a new inquisitor it wouldn't change that.
Basic thing is that we would need context for what Vader's tasked with before his takes command of Death Squadron to hunt down the Rebels that destroyed the Death Star and more personally, his own son. We see he was attached to Tarkin to retrieve the plans for the space station and aid in getting information out of Princess Leia about the location of the Rebel base.
In Rebels, we see him again being called upon by Tarkin when the situation with the Rebels escalated (and Tarkin's personal Star Destroyer was destroyed, along with the Grand Inquisitor). He than squeezed Lothal to root the Rebels out, until he can track them to their fleet. The distraction of finding Ahsoka alive shifts his focus, and he lets the other inquisitors deal with the problem while he waits for them to locate Ahsoka for him again. He's stopped caring about the Rebels. Only more Jedi matter (Kanan and Erza aren't important to him now, as Ahsoka is his potental link to finding other Jedi and maybe Kenobi). After his fight with Ahsoka, he's pretty beat up, so he bows out of any more intraction in Rebels. Grand Admiral Thrawn is brought in to track down the Rebels.
But this series is at least four years before we first see Vader in Rebels giving orders to the Grand Inquisator about the Jedi being gone, and to be alert for new Force sensatives or lost Padawans.
So aside from brooding in his fortress, what is Vader tasked with in the ten years between getting into the suit, and finding Kenobi again?
In Rebels, we see him again being called upon by Tarkin when the situation with the Rebels escalated (and Tarkin's personal Star Destroyer was destroyed, along with the Grand Inquisitor). He than squeezed Lothal to root the Rebels out, until he can track them to their fleet. The distraction of finding Ahsoka alive shifts his focus, and he lets the other inquisitors deal with the problem while he waits for them to locate Ahsoka for him again. He's stopped caring about the Rebels. Only more Jedi matter (Kanan and Erza aren't important to him now, as Ahsoka is his potental link to finding other Jedi and maybe Kenobi). After his fight with Ahsoka, he's pretty beat up, so he bows out of any more intraction in Rebels. Grand Admiral Thrawn is brought in to track down the Rebels.
But this series is at least four years before we first see Vader in Rebels giving orders to the Grand Inquisator about the Jedi being gone, and to be alert for new Force sensatives or lost Padawans.
So aside from brooding in his fortress, what is Vader tasked with in the ten years between getting into the suit, and finding Kenobi again?
No situation in the OT is analogous to what happens in Rogue One. You completely ignored my comments where I explained the difference. So if you want to shut yourself off to reality, that's (again), your call.
I'll recap. There is no urgency in those OT scenes. None. Vader CAN take his sweet time and can send in his goons to do the dirty work.
In Rogue One, time is of the essence. Vader is far and away the most competent, skilled person in the entire Empire. If you have a Vader on your side, you're a fool to not use him when you need to.
In, ANH and ESB, the hero forces are utterly surrounded. Vader doesn't need to go in swinging. He can hang back until the area is cleared. That's why you have stormtroopers in the first place.
But why you have a Vader is if the clock is ticking, seconds are precious and you absolutely need to get the job done right now. By your estimation, Vader is nothing by a figure head who literally never does anything except glower. Sorry, but that's just a dumb read and is not why the Emperor cultivated the most powerful apprentice in the galaxy. By your read, Vader should have just let the clones attack the Jedi temple and should have stayed out of it.
Again, utterly irrelevant. The fact that there are behind-the-scenes factors that altered the content of a movie happens IN EVERY SINGLE MOVIE. The fact that something in a movie was added late does not make it any less a part of the movie.
The ending of "Casablanca" was famously written while the movie was already in production. Does it not count??
Similarly, certain elements of ending of Casablanca were mandated by the Hays Code. It was never going to be possible for RIck and Isla to be together, since Ilsa was married to another man. So does the ending again not count because of outside forces that pushed it in a certain direction?
Adding something late to a movie doesn't invalidate it and it doesn't render it meaningless.
This is an excellent point! Thank you!. But, according to Trek_God, Vader would have just sat around and let other pilots handle it. But, again, Vader is the best pilot around, so for him not to jump into action would not just have been out of character, it would have been friggin' dereliction of his duty! As his inaction would have been in Rogue One. If Vader was around and NOT doing anything, the Emperor would have had to start looking for a more useful apprentice.
According to some posters, Vader isn't supposed to do anything, ever. It would be "out of character." He's just supposed to stand around and, I dunno, look mean.
Hunting Jedi.
It doesn't make it the penultimate conclusion of the film either. It's superfluous. Frosting.
It's absence would not take away from the film. It's addition is not enjoyable for some.
It's already dumb now, though, which is the point.
*shrugs*
Ok, if you say so. Star Wars has been a lot of dumb things since I joined the fandom. This one ranks about 88th. Or so. Not in the top 50, for sure.
The idea of the Empire is to inspire fear and ensure compliance. Fear, in turns, feeds the Dark Side so of course Vader could be out as an enforcer, as well as tracking Jedi and hunting down leads. His goal is to ensure order of the Empire.
I put it at around 147. That said, this was an easily-avoidable problem.
Not that it takes away from your larger point, but I'd say his goal is really to just do whatever Palpatine tells him to do until he can figure out a way to murder the cackling nutter without getting fried in the process (again!)
So yeah, he's been doing all sorts of things over the last decade here and there other than just Jedi hunting, but it's implied in the comics that mostly what he's been up to is building his castle and moping around the place. Occasionally chasing down some relic and arcane knowledge about resurrecting the dead.
I could honestly see him spending weeks, even months at a time doing nothing but floating in his bacta tank, meditating, fruitlessly trying to will himself back to health and Padme back to life through sheer force of rage.
I'd also argue that most of the time when he gets sent on an errand like in Rogue One, while there may be bystanders, not very many of them ever survived to tell the tale, and most that may had done so know better than to ask questions or indeed say anything about it at all, ever.
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As I've said, it strongly buttresses the movie's themes. It doesn't alter the basics of the storyline.
It was a no win situation. If they didn't use the Grand Inquisitor from Rebels fans would ask where was he. If they do use him fans complain about the accuracy.
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That too.
It doesn't add to it either. It isn't a lynch pin in any structural sense. It can compliment the themes but it is a flourish not essential.
Definitely. Was thinking of Rocky was I watched that scene.Cue the "Eye of the Tiger" training montage in the fifth episode.
There are potential differences. There will inevitably be things portrayed in Kenobi that will end up contradicting stuff in Rebels.
Clearly not, as many others have interpreted it differently.
In Rebels, it seems like they don't know who Darth Vader is. It may just be that particular cell has no knowledge of him, and Ahsoka hasn't encountered him before. She may have heard about him from Bail, but didn't get much else about Vader. The Cell didn't know about Inquisitors, though Ahsoka clearly knew of them. So information isn't spreading in the age where the Senate still exists. Vader is not the poster of the Empire and his work isn't widely known. After the Senate is disbanded, it is probable that Vader is a well known figure and maybe even the poster for the New Order and down with the Rebellion stuff. But Palpatine is still not publicly a Sith Lord, and I don't know if even Vader is known to be such in the Empire. If people even remember that the title Darth means anything anymore.
One of the big takeaways from Rogue One was that there was a lack of centralization with the Rebel Alliance. They simply were organized enough to spread out information to assist in their effort. Knowledge of Vader would be limited, and even if Bail shared it it would still be limited because, as of Rogue One, there were still senators who were willing to abandon the fight. How do you trust in that situation?
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