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Spoilers 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' series [Spoiler Discussion]

You can defend that ridiculous scene until doomsday, but it will not change it from what it was: last minute fanservice for a certain part of the SW audience that needs to see lightsaber action even when its inconsistent to the established character behavior from the OT.

It's not inconsistent. At all. Vader was never in a situation like he was in Rogue One in the OT. Remotely. Vader sometimes needs to do more than just walk slowly and menacingly. That's literally his friggin' job.

You're just making up bullshit. Have fun with that.
 
I’m sure they didn’t use it because budget wouldn’t allow it, there were a couple of points where it was REALLY missing.

Anyway, really enjoying this series. And watched yesterday’s episodes just after my own aikido training. :biggrin:
 
I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner. Now, *I* am the master.

Obi-Wan kinda needs to power-up and have the last fight with Darth to end a lot better than being dragged through fire.

Though I think we've seen what Vader still needs to learn already; he has to stop playing with his food and going for emotional satisfaction and just get the job done.
 
Vader won this round against a Jedi who not only had lost his edge, but may even have grown weaker and complacent with the Force during his time in exile. Unlike on Mustafar, this wasn't a fight between equals.

But I doubt they won't cross lightsabers again before their final duel on the Death Star. I think Vader's line about "When I left you, I was but the learner" will still hold true. This ass-whopping that Kenobi got may have been something he needed to get him back into true fighting form, and the outcome will be very different the next time they meet, IMO.
 
That's everything from the trailers now we've seen isn't it. Completely uncharted waters lay beyond.. :techman:
Not quite. There's still purge troopers and a blaster fight to come.
Ask Maul if he ever did.
Are you kidding? An obsessive compulsive like that would practice at least twice a day.
I know Offee is a more likely candidate for something like that, but they seem to be building Reva up as Vader's apprentice -- Ahsoka's dark counterpart, if you will.
From what I can tell, Reva is a character created specifically for this story. Barris is a character that seems to have been deliberately ringfenced for the last decade or so, precisely because Dave has a story in mind for her. It's doubtful that of those two, Reva is the one (if any) he chooses to utilise as Ahsoka's opposite number.
Aiki. Short for aikido, or aikijujitsu. The two are essentially the same thing- aikijitsu is the original form of the art, much harder with a lot more strikes. The latter is the softer, more stylized modern version (Aikikai) that Ueshiba Morihei developed after WWII. There are a couple other schools of Aikido deriving from aikikai- the one I trained in years ago was Yoshinkan, which is more the style as Ueshiba taught it before WWII. It's a little harder, and was taught by one of Ueshiba's former live in students (uchi-deshi), Gozo Shioda. It's also the style taught to the Tokyo Metro Police.
I've seen plenty of expert analysis of the sword fighting over the years (some of it even by actual experts) but I've never seen just a pure unarmed martial arts take on some of the fights from someone that knows what they're talking about. Granted there isn't much to go on (mostly Ahsoka, oddly enough) but there does appear to be a somewhat thought out style. Lots of simple direct punches and kicks, but also some throws, roundhouses and whatever that helicoptering legs thing Ahsoka did in the walkabout arc. I guess there's also Qi'ra's couple of fights that's meant to be Teräs Käsi. Can't remember it having a disenable style though.

I'm watching it a second time and I'm realizing the one thing that is desperately missing. The Imperial March.
Absent? Certainly. Missing? I'd say not. That's a theme you save for when it really calls for it. The danger with leitmotifs is in overusing them whenever a character makes an entrance, they loose their punch. Indeed if you listen carefully to how John Williams scored the movies, you can hear how he used them thematically as often as literally.
Care to guess when the force theme is first heard in ANH? It's not Binary Sunsets scene, it's when we first get a glimpse of Leia as she's giving R2 the plans, right before her own theme plays for the first time. Because at that point, it was supposed to be Ben's theme, and this is a message for him.

Speaking of Leia's theme, I don't think we've heard that yet either, or indeed Luke's theme. So I rather appreciate how restrained the score is being about it so far. I'm sure there will be moments ahead when those scenes do pop up, but I suspect it'll be save for maximum effect, one way or the other.
It's in Rogue One also.
Yeah, very briefly and low key in the Krennic/Vader meeting. For the most part though, the Empire itself is represented by a new theme derived from the 'Stormtroopers/Death Star' theme from ANH. It's also partially quoted right at the tail end of Vader's corridor fight sequence too, but it's left deliberately hanging because the chase is still on.
 
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BTW, all these SW (and ST) shows are basically "fan service"
By that logic, any TV Show that's not 100% original is fan service :rolleyes:
My statement was more "Ask Maul if Obi-Wan ever leveled up." Not if Maul practiced. Of course he did.
Headcanon of course, but one can consider Rebels to be a slightly alt-timeline or alt-cannon to the Star Wars Cinematic Universe (or whatever people call it these days).

Personally, I believe that "Ben" decided that Obi Wan was dead, and "buried" him along with the lightsaber, becoming a poor laborer on Tatooine in order to keep a distant eye on Luke. He doesn't use the Force at all that I can see, until his meeting with Vader.
He didn't keep in shape.
10 years ago he was a master, but now he's a shadow of himself.

and Vader doesn't want to kill Obi Wan, he wants to destroy him.
 
Headcanon of course, but one can consider Rebels to be a slightly alt-timeline or alt-cannon to the Star Wars Cinematic Universe (or whatever people call it these days).
Why though? It has deliberate connective tissue between Clone Wars and OT. Especially Twin Suns as an episode.
 
Personally, I believe that "Ben" decided that Obi Wan was dead, and "buried" him along with the lightsaber, becoming a poor laborer on Tatooine in order to keep a distant eye on Luke. He doesn't use the Force at all that I can see, until his meeting with Vader.
He didn't keep in shape.
10 years ago he was a master, but now he's a shadow of himself.
That's a good way of putting it. The Kenobi of ROTS--and maybe even earlier with TPM with his acrobatic tendencies back then--might have been able to take Vader or at least hold his own. But if Kenobi is now someone who may not even have handled a lightsaber in a decade and has let his Force skills decline, then he definitely was no match against even a Sith Lord with a respirator and cybernetic limbs.
 
Speaking of Leia's theme, I don't think we've heard that yet either, or indeed Luke's theme. So I rather appreciate how restrained the score is being about it so far. I'm sure there will be moments ahead when those scenes do pop up, but I suspect it'll be save for maximum effect, one way or the other.
in series one must also consider the budget: a sync license for famous themes can be really expensive. This is almost certainly the reason LDS avoided using the Voyager theme for Paris, using something similar but that wasn’t QUITE it, and Picard season 2 dropped the TNG theme in the titles.
 
in series one must also consider the budget: a sync license for famous themes can be really expensive. This is almost certainly the reason LDS avoided using the Voyager theme for Paris, using something similar but that wasn’t QUITE it, and Picard season 2 dropped the TNG theme in the titles.
Pretty sure Lucasfilm has the rights to use whatever Star Wars music they like (it's literally NEVER been an issue). This is more of a composer's artistic choice than anything else.
 
Headcanon of course, but one can consider Rebels to be a slightly alt-timeline or alt-cannon to the Star Wars Cinematic Universe (or whatever people call it these days).

Lucasfilm certainly doesn't see it that way.

Personally, I believe that "Ben" decided that Obi Wan was dead, and "buried" him along with the lightsaber, becoming a poor laborer on Tatooine in order to keep a distant eye on Luke. He doesn't use the Force at all that I can see, until his meeting with Vader.
He didn't keep in shape.
10 years ago he was a master, but now he's a shadow of himself.

What do you mean, you "personally believe" that? It's literally what's depicted, no extra levels of interpretation or analysis or personal belief required.


and Vader doesn't want to kill Obi Wan, he wants to destroy him.

Well-put.
 
It's not inconsistent. At all.

Then you were watching something other than the OT.

Vader was never in a situation like he was in Rogue One in the OT. Remotely. Vader sometimes needs to do more than just walk slowly and menacingly. That's literally his friggin' job. [/quote]

No, it is not. He has a position of authority and allows the endless officers and troops at his disposal do the dirty work--to kick the doors down, so to speak, and kill, as seen in the opening of Star Wars and the Echo base invasion in TESB. He's not some Maul-like aggressor who scowls and jumps into fights every other minute. Part of the strength of Vader's presence is that he never needed to flaunt his power (or take the lead) unless absolutely necessary (and always personal), as in his fights with Obi-Wan in Star Wars and both duels with Luke.

You're just making up bullshit. Have fun with that.

The only one making bullshit up is you--the member who ignores the posted reason the R1 Vader scene was added (i.e. it had nothing to do with a story that already made its point) and a need to see the abuse of the very idea of lightsaber use that had its start in the PT. Continue to lie yourself all you want, but it changes nothing, nor will it rewrite the true reason that scene was stapled to Rogue One.
 
No, it is not. He has a position of authority and allows the endless officers and troops at his disposal do the dirty work--to kick the doors down, so to speak, and kill, as seen in the opening of Star Wars and the Echo base invasion in TESB. He's not some Maul-like aggressor who scowls and jumps into fights every other minute. Part of the strength of Vader's presence is that he never needed to flaunt his power (or take the lead) unless absolutely necessary (and always personal), as in his fights with Obi-Wan in Star Wars and both duels with Luke.



The only one making bullshit up is you--the member who ignores the posted reason the R1 Vader scene was added (i.e. it had nothing to do with a story that already made its point) and a need to see the abuse of the very idea of lightsaber use that had its start in the PT. Continue to lie yourself all you want, but it changes nothing, nor will it rewrite the true reason that scene was stapled to Rogue One.

Ok, so I'm on record upthread as not disagreeing that the scene is largely superfluous and added because it looked cool. And let's not kind ourselves, it WAS cool. I DO think it fits the film, even while not adding anything to the story, for reasons already stated.

But I think your argument here is flawed. Because while you're correct that Vader largely only acts when it's personal, that's not the only time we see him take direct and personal action. He jumps in a fighter and launches against the rebels when they attack the Death Star.

Why? Well, because he felt a disturbance in the Force and recognized something big was up, sure. But also because the Death Star is the Emperor's endgame. It's the whole bloody point. Absolute terror for absolute control. If it's important enough for him to take point there, then it makes sense that the theft of the plans would also be something he would directly intervene in. Add to that, both times one of his kids was directly involved in the action, and while he obviously wouldn't become aware of that for some time yet, the Force is swirling around both of them working it's will. It's likely that there would have been a similar sense around the plan theft as the trench run.

The scene doesn't feel out of character for Vader, to me. I even enjoy the fact that it adds some fun, though unnecessary, context to his irritation at the beginning of ANH. Obviously, your mileage may vary.
 
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