Worf was pretty much ignorant about Trill culture

[Guy Gardener]

Younger Worf believed that if he screwed outside his species, he'd end up inside a dead woman quite quickly after starting coitus.

Considering his medieval sexism, you would think that he would be unrealistically concerned with mounting any women, even a Klingon Woman.

Forgetting that homoerotic sidebar, did Worf have direct sex with the Simbiont it self?

It's just a damp slug in a pouch where her naval should be, which is not that unusual, especially when after noting that it's attached to a person you are in love with.

It's the dream or the nightmare when your lover says "hey haven't you noticed that extra hole I have that no one else has? Do me a solid and pay special attention to it next time we're trying to make babies."

 

[kkt]

I don't think the symbionts have sex with any beings who are remotely humanoid.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

@Guy Gardener: I don't think Worf has the same problem as Tommy Wiseau in The Room. I think he knows not to someone's belly button.

 

[Finn]

Worf spent a lot of TNG and DS9 as a reactionary chauvinist. In particular, with both K'Ehleyr and Jadzia, he expected his romantic partners to accommodate his conservative interpretation of Klingon culture yet failed to show reciprocal respect for their cultures or cultural values. He certainly, for instance, didn't seem to even think about the idea of having a Trill wedding, or a combination Trill/Klingon wedding.

Probably due to having extreme trauma. Remember how lost he was on the Klingon homeworld during Redemption part two?

 

[Sci]

Probably due to having extreme trauma. Remember how lost he was on the Klingon homeworld during Redemption part two?

Trauma is not really an excuse for cultural chauvinism.

 

[Finn]

Trauma is not really an excuse for cultural chauvinism.

In some way yes, it does. Trauma can really fuck up one's brain chemistry, wiring, all that....especially when you think about how there wouldn't have been anyone qualified to help Worf on Gault or Minsk. I bet you a bunch of latinum bars that Worf had hard time understanding Martok if he actually hung out with him on the homeworld, as Martok implied in the DS9 finale. I don't give a shit about whether the novelizations said otherwise.

He must had hell of adoptive parents for him to grow up and make it through Starfleet Academy and become a Lt. Commander.

 

[MarkusTay]

I was going to mention Tuvix as another example of a 'conjoined' being not being two halves of a whole, but rather, a whole new being. Unfortunately, its been demonstrated that this isn't the case with Trill.

In fact, gong back to TNG where we first meet the Trill, that one actually did make an attempt to continue their relationship with Dr. Crusher, who turned out to be a little too conservative. LOL

Going by that Ezri would still have feelings for Worf, but Worf wanted none of that, I would assume Trill are used to this response - only in Dr. Who are people perfectly fine when their 'companion' changes their face every so often. (Rose Tyler = "No no no! Don't change!" Bzzzzt "Oh... okay... I'm good... love the hair").
When you lose someone very important to you, you do indeed get very resentful of people who 'get their stuff'. Worf felt like he was cheated out of his 'happy ending' (and he was), and he blamed Ezri for that because he already resented her for 'getting Jadzia's stuff', plus, you now basically have to deal with a stranger who knows your most intimate details, every day, which I could only imagine is very uncomfortable. And on the flipside, I am sure Trill are used to this.

I am least familiar with DS9 of all the 'old Treks', so I am unaware of the circumstances behind the actress's leaving. I agree it probably would have been better to just have her leave than replace her 'the next day' like that. In fact, I don't know why the Trill would even allow them to resume a former posting - that's counter-productive to those who are still mourning the loss of their comrade. Some bad creative decisions there.

 

[Kor]

I wonder how often new symbionts are "born" and how many Trill initiates would be willing to be their very first host instead of being joined with an older symbiont with many lifetimes' worth of memories and wisdom.

... What if a symbiont wanted to live its own, outside of the pool life without a host and some life support mechanism enabled them to do so?

Maybe something could be constructed that re-created conditions in the cave pools on a smaller scale. If it could be done, it would only work for a symbiont that has never been joined. For a symbiont that has already been joined to a Trill host (for 96 hours, I think?), it wouldn't be possible since they are biologically dependent on being joined from that point onward.

Kor

 

[kkt]

When you lose someone very important to you, you do indeed get very resentful of people who 'get their stuff'. Worf felt like he was cheated out of his 'happy ending' (and he was),

He wasn't "cheated". No one is guaranteed a long life. Death can come at any time - a Klingon should understand that even better than most humans, the way they fetishize it.

 

[Kor]

Yes, Worf did expect Jadzia to be dead. Worf's beliefs included going on that big campaign in Jadzia's name to ensure that Jadzia's soul was in Sto'vo'Kor.
And then Ezri shows up and he has to wonder if all that was actually worth anything. Because a piece of Jadzia is kind of sort of alive, stuck in this other Trill character right here in front of him, instead of reveling in the glories of Sto'Vo'Kor.

Kor

 

[JirinPanthosa]

In fact, gong back to TNG where we first meet the Trill, that one actually did make an attempt to continue their relationship with Dr. Crusher, who turned out to be a little too conservative. LOL

I think it was more she was heterosexual. She even banged Riker because it was Odan.

Worf's emotional trauma is understandable, but it's not an excuse to act like a bully and treat someone horribly.

 

[MarkusTay]

I think Worf, much like Spock, went overboard on their own cultural identity because of their parentage/upbringing. Spock (TOS) was more Vulcan than any of the other Vulcans, and Worf seems to cling to the 'Klingon ideal' he learned from books, rather than the sad reality (they are supposed to be a culture based on 'honor', yet backstab so often they could teach Romulans a things or two). At the end of the day, despite his bio-chemistry, Worf was human. He was just 'acting Klingon' like he thought he was supposed to (and yes, I understand there are things going on internally that make him more aggressive, but he somehow managed to control all of that long enough to go to Starfleet Academy - his parents should write a book on parenting!)

Well, I was being facetious with my Crusher comment, trying to 'skirt around a sensitive issue'. And Worf is understandable, including the absolute fact he was being a jerk, because he was 'just being human', or rather, being a sentient being with strong emotions he couldn't quite process, and wasn't being allowed to process, because his trauma was being rubbed in his face every day. The Trill avoid people who were part of their 'past lives' for a reason - they know it makes other species uncomfortable. The fact that Ezri was assigned to DS9 was just bad writing, period (IMHO). Was Sisko any better? He referred to Jazdia - an obvious female - as 'Old Man'. Talk about gender identity issues! He still hasn't gotten over the fact his old friend is 'gone', so why should Worf, with his much closer connection? This is why Trill should always avoid these situations.

And while we are on the subject, it seems to me that the symbiote totally subsumes the Trill's personality - where are Starfleet's high-and-mighty ethics there? Whats the difference between them, and the Goa'uld from Stargate? Because the Trill aren't conquerors they get a pass? But that's probably fuel for a different thread.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Trauma is not really an excuse for cultural chauvinism.

Consider Chekov.

Either he had a very evolved sense of humour, or Pavol had been taught goodfacts at his Russian elementary school, that no one later could convince him was bullshit.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Maybe something could be constructed

Like perhaps a Data-style android without its own personality, but all of the physical abilities? Kind of like a symbiont Iron Man suit (says the girl who knows little of marvel beyond random gleanings).

 

[McCoy's Disco Collar]

I think Worf, much like Spock, went overboard on their own cultural identity because of their parentage/upbringing. Spock (TOS) was more Vulcan than any of the other Vulcans, and Worf seems to cling to the 'Klingon ideal' he learned from books, rather than the sad reality (they are supposed to be a culture based on 'honor', yet backstab so often they could teach Romulans a things or two). At the end of the day, despite his bio-chemistry, Worf was human. He was just 'acting Klingon' like he thought he was supposed to

This is why tying his post-DS9 future to Klingon culture never made sense to me. An ambassador, captain of a Klingon ship, none of those work.

Worf, like Spock, has always seemed to me to be truly at home only in Starfleet.

The Trill avoid people who were part of their 'past lives' for a reason - they know it makes other species uncomfortable. The fact that Ezri was assigned to DS9 was just bad writing, period (IMHO).

Agreed 100%.

Was Sisko any better? He referred to Jazdia - an obvious female - as 'Old Man'. Talk about gender identity issues!

Eh, maybe the Trill just aren't as hung up on the concept as we once were. Even now, humans are accepting that identity can be fluid. "Misgendering" is a problem largely because it's often done out of spite and cruelty. I can see where a Trill might accept it in the spirit it was offered; a sign of old friendship.

And while we are on the subject, it seems to me that the symbiote totally subsumes the Trill's personality - where are Starfleet's high-and-mighty ethics there? Whats the difference between them, and the Goa'uld from Stargate? Because the Trill aren't conquerors they get a pass? But that's probably fuel for a different thread.

Setting aside the "choice" aspect of joining, it's pretty clear that the host is not subsumed - when we see the various Daxes embodied by the DS9 crew, they're all very unique. A Dax through-line, to be sure, but unique. Even Ezri and Jadzia were different characters. Each host combines with the symbiote to create a new being, bringing their own unique traits to the joining.

 

[MarkusTay]

Like perhaps a Data-style android without its own personality, but all of the physical abilities? Kind of like a symbiont Iron Man suit (says the girl who knows little of marvel beyond random gleanings).

 

[MarkusTay]

Well that didn't work... too bad I can't edit. {sigh}

 

[fireproof78]

Well that didn't work... too bad I can't edit. {sigh}

It's best to use an image hosting site, like Imgur, and link to an image that way. Wiki images will never insert.

 

[Kor]

Well that didn't work... too bad I can't edit. {sigh}

Let me know if you can see this. It looks like your IMG tag pointed to the 'image page' that showcases the image (whatever the technical term is for that), but for the tag to work correctly it actually has to point directly to the image file itself, jpg, png or whatever the case may be.

Also, I checked the Terms of Use on imgflip and they say that if you hotlink/embed an image hosted there on another site such as this one in this fashion, then you are also supposed to include a regular hyperlink back to the image page for that image, or to their main page, and it's also preferred that you include a link to their meme generator page to let others know how to make their own.
So here are those three links just to cover all bases:
Main page: https://imgflip.com
Image page for this image: https://imgflip.com/i/6idsc5
Meme generator: https://imgflip.com/memegenerator

Kor

 

[MarkusTay]

Thank you - yes, that is the one. I have waited two weeks to come back and here and finally edit my post, but you took care of it for me. Of course, the joke isn't as funny anymore.