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Bleah.
And that's a sad statement if you really believe that. For a gun-totting vigilante.
Fuck. That.
Punisher is one of the worst comic book characters created too date. In a genre filled with vigilantism he manages to present as one that is completely lacking any sort of empathy. That I had friends who liked him still makes me shake my head.
Well, in his creators' defense, he was introduced as a villain.
Didn't know that. Appreciate the history.
My friends in High School would watch the film repeatedly and enjoyed it a lot. I did not.
So what? Since then, writers of the comics, films, and show have tried to make him an anti-hero. I don't care how he was intended. I care about how people view and write him now.
I hated it. I enjoyed even the first season of Iron Fist more than that.
Oso Blanco said:
I'm reading his point as the Netflix series were adult in nature and overall tone far above that of the Disney+ series, which is rather undeniable.
I wouldn't say "awesome," but it was pretty good, and it managed to skirt the line and paint Castle's violence as a character failing he had to struggle to overcome, rather than a heroic trait. Unfortunately, the second season ended up glorifying his violence in the way the first season managed to avoid. Punisher season 2 is the one Netflix Marvel season I wish I hadn't watched at all.
I'm not disputing that; in fact, I agree entirely. The phrasing I was responding to was "one of the worst comic book characters created to date," which could be taken as blaming his creators for what's been done with him subsequently. I just want it to be clear that Gerry Conway, John Romita, and Ross Andru created the Punisher to be a villain, not a hero, and I believe Conway is on record as disapproving of the character's violent ways being glorified or celebrated. So the problem is not with his creation, but with his subsequent use.
You're claiming that *the Punisher* being more adult in tone proves that all the D+ shows are kiddy fair. That's like someone trying to argue that a Saturn Rocket being ridiculously fast proves a Mazerati is slow. The Punisher is supposed to be the most adult marvel character imaginable. 'Less adult than a Punisher story' does not equal 'Silly and for little kids'.
There's a time not to be pedantic and this is one of those times.
Nah, just more pretentious and ashamed of its origins. An attitude best left in the early 2000s
So, you're saying Oso Blanco's point is completely incorrect--that the Disney+ series are not generally something that would be suitable for a 12-year old audience?
You've used that ever-debunked line endlessly, and its never held a shred of fact. Further, if you actually read the Punisher's origins (that's Marvel Preview #2 from 1975 to you), you would know the Netflix series embraced its origins. But never let facts get int the way of your hollow ranting.
I couldn't even get past his use in Daredevil. Slogging through his scenes were extremely frustrating.
Thank you for the explanation. It is much appreciated.
You keep using that word. It does not mean what you think it means.
Why is that your decision? I was responding to fireproof78, who was not offended by my comment and actually thanked me for it. So I don't see that it's any of your business.
They're for all ages, like LOTR is. They don't need buckets of blood and sex to attract viewers because the characters and writing and stories are enough. Unlike the Netflix shows which needed those things to attract viewers.
The Netflix show actually altered his origin so now instead of his family being killed in a random mob battle, they were killed as part of an attempt on Castle's life. It totally changed the meaning and intent because of how ashamed it was of the comics.
Let me put it this way, if Netflix had been the ones to adapt Guardians of the Galaxy, they'd have made them a human biker gang on Earth who just use their comic names as nicknames.
I like both the Netflix and Disney+ MCU shows. That's still allowed, right?
That's not being ashamed. Find a new word or offer evidence that these creators are walking around all mournful and shame faced because of their work.
No.
I'm honestly very shocked at times to see the kind of things people on here consider shows and movies for little kids. I mean every one of them so far has been rated TV-14, and to me at least, are pretty violent, dark at times, and complex for little kids. I'm not a parent, but if I had to pick an age to start them on this stuff, I'd go with at least 10-12 maybe, at the absolute youngest.
But then again, we are in an era where people are letting their grade school kids watch R rated movies and TV shows like The Walking Dead, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.
But then again, we are in an era where people are letting their grade school kids watch R rated movies and TV shows like The Walking Dead, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.